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Re:Kiel Institute Analysis: US Americans pay 96% of tariff b... by brightball on Monday January 19, 2026 @09:20PM (#46687122)
Is there any reason America can’t continue that without giving every critical manufacturing industry to China?
Re:Kiel Institute Analysis: US Americans pay 96% of tariff b... by lovich on Monday January 19, 2026 @10:55PM (#46687748)
No there isn’t a reason to do that, but I want to call out that you asked about “critical” industries and this is a thread about tariffs which the admin put on all products, including inputs to industries.

Don’t compare apples to tennis balls.

And in regards to the trade deficit, everytime I look at it the numbers it only includes physical products and not services. We’re a heavily service based economy since producing a Facebook is several steps down the tech tree from producing screws.

So again I will ask why a trade deficit on products is bad. We’re just buying shit from less complex economies or ones where the comparative advantage of trade works out. We’re not getting ripped off.

Re:Kiel Institute Analysis: US Americans pay 96% of tariff b... by immibis on Tuesday January 20, 2026 @03:59AM (#46689566)
To get free stuff you have to get free stuff. Why would you manufacture stuff, at great expense, when you're getting it for free? That makes no capitalistic sense.
Re:Kiel Institute Analysis: US Americans pay 96% of tariff b... by disgruntledphd2 on Tuesday January 20, 2026 @06:20AM (#46690642)
Because ultimately humans are not homo econonimus, and many citizens of the west won't be able to get jobs in tech/finance/services. It's a societal issue rather than a capitalist issue.
Re:Kiel Institute Analysis: US Americans pay 96% of tariff b... by immibis on Tuesday January 20, 2026 @08:44AM (#46691767)
We live in a capitalism. If something makes capitalistic sense it happens, otherwise it doesn't. Stuff will not be manufactured locally at great expense when it can instead be imported for free.
Re:Kiel Institute Analysis: US Americans pay 96% of tariff b... by DangitBobby on Tuesday January 20, 2026 @09:22AM (#46692108)
Which is why everyone in the US who wants an affordable EV is currently driving a Chinese car.
Re:Kiel Institute Analysis: US Americans pay 96% of tariff b... by disgruntledphd2 on Tuesday January 20, 2026 @11:17AM (#46693595)
> We live in a capitalism

The absence of capital controls is a political choice that people appear to believe is just a law of the world.

If there were capital controls then local manufacturing makes more sense.

It would kill the US stock market so it's unlikely to happen, but personally I don't see how unrestricted capital and restricted labour is anything but a recipe for disaster (the consequences of which we've seen in the US and Europe since the financial crisis).

Re:Kiel Institute Analysis: US Americans pay 96% of tariff b... by disgruntledphd2 on Tuesday January 20, 2026 @06:19AM (#46690627)
> Is there any reason America can’t continue that without giving every critical manufacturing industry to China?

Totally. The two things are actually quite different. You (US & industrialised countries) removed capital controls and the cost of transport dropped by a lot (shipping containers etc) which meant that it became more profitable to make things in much cheaper countries and so the businesses did that, and now you're/we're screwed.

Reintroduce capital controls and only trade with people with comparable labour rights and wage levels, and this problem goes away. But ultimately, this change was driven by western economic interests, not China/other countries.

That being said, China played this hand very well (from a manufacturing/export perspective) but they didn't cause this. The US & European businesses did, because they could make more money/pollute with less issues this way.