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Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by tokenadult on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @04:59PM (#4661802)
This is a tough story of a state legislator who became an adoptive father finding out that policies that he thought were humane reforms didn't end up helping people in this generation like his adoptive son. Some of my perspective on these issues comes from knowing Irving Gottesman,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Gottesman

who was credited as the main adviser on schizophrenia relied on by the author of the book A Beautiful Mind. Gottesman has spent much of his career researching schizophrenia and debunking former theories about the origin of schizophrenia. Twin studies, especially studies of the unusual cases of monozygotic twins reared apart, and adoption studies have consistently shown that schizophrenia develops from an underlying genetic vulnerability (probably varying greatly from patient to patient, according to the best evidence from genome-wide association studies) that makes a patient all too likely to develop full psychotic symptoms over the course of childhood without careful treatment. Gottesman's research goal is to define "endophenotypes" that can be reliably measured clinically to identify patients who need one kind of preventive or supportive treatment rather than another. But we are nowhere near identifying endophenotypes for any major mental illness.

"Self-medicating with marijuana, Tim’s drug of choice for lowering the volume of the voices in his head, got him suspended from the first high school he attended — a public, vocational-technical school in Middletown, Conn. — and placed on court-ordered probation." We do know that young people whose family history suggests genetic risk for major mental illness (which might not be known for a particular adopted child) are playing with fire if they take schedule I drugs without medical supervision. Many of the worst outcomes found in families in which some relatives become mentally ill and some do not are among the persons who "self-medicate" (that is, abuse drugs) rather than reduce risk of perturbing their brain chemistry.

"If I were a legislator today, I’d mandate — and provide funding to ensure — that every teacher receive training in recognizing symptoms of mental illnesses."

Teacher who are credentialed to teach elementary school receive specific training in how to teach reading, and receive specific training in how to teach elementary mathematics, but mostly do a remarkably poor job in those important tasks anyway. There are not today any reliable lists of early symptoms of mental illnesses to guide an adult who sees young children as to who will develop severe mental illness in adulthood. Diagnostic criteria for psychology and psychiatry are not that well developed yet, and communicating criteria for best practice to future teachers in schools of education or to in-service teachers through in-service training programs is already a vexing problem in reading instruction and mathematics instruction.

"I’d see that pediatricians are trained to make screening for mental health concerns a regular part of well-child exams."

I think some of that is already done today. At least, my four children certainly seemed to be asked routine questions in well-child pediatrician visits that could raise red flags on the basis of certain answers to those questions. Again, there simply aren't that many effective early screening tools for mental illness today of any kind. One of the best tools for identifying people at highest risk for developing mental illness is to know the complete medical history of their nearest relatives--but that is the hardest tool to use for some adopted children.

"I’d require school administrators to incorporate recommendations from pediatricians and mental health professionals into students’ IEPs."

What I hear from parents whose children have IEPs (individual education plans, under federal law about special education) is that it is often annoyingly difficult to get a school to follow an IEP, even though that is mandatory by law. It is the parents's responsibility, in the first instance, to make sure that all relevant information is provided to the professionals who work with the parents in drafting the IEP. The parents have to push back if the IEP isn't drafted helpfully at first, and they have to keep an eye on whether or not the school implements the IEP.

All in all, this sad story is a good reminder that EVERY parent, and maybe especially an adoptive parent, needs to be cautious about reducing risk of future harm for all children in the parent's care. The author's description of his situation makes his situation sound very rough. He surely hoped that his son would be living independently and thriving by the son's current adult age. What I've learned about parenting after two decades is that parenting never completely ends. Launching a child into self-sufficient adulthood is wonderful. (I have done that once so far.) But there will always be scary issues for parents to watch out for that they have to take care of themselves.

AFTER EDIT: Several comments below this comment talk about the risk of drug abuse for persons who have underlying vulnerabilities to mental illness. I agree with the suggestion that alcohol (legal for all adults) is surely dangerous in such cases and perhaps tobacco (also legal for all adults) is too. But I will remind all readers here that marijuana was specifically mentioned as the now homeless person's "drug of choice" in the submitted article, and marijuana alone, plus the genetic vulnerabilities, is enough to turn some formerly productive young people out on the street unable to support themselves. (It was probably observations of situations like this decades ago that helped convince legislators to change marijuana's legal status from permitted to largely banned. The article submitted here makes the correct point that sometimes legislation has unintended consequences, and perhaps the "drug war" is ineffective policy for reducing the harm that mind-altering drugs cause individuals and society.) Richard Branson has argued that Portugal's different pattern of regulating drugs has reduced drug use and has reduced various social harms from drugs that are Schedule I drugs here in the United States.

But that said, I will stand by my statement "We do know that young people whose family history suggests genetic risk for major mental illness (which might not be known for a particular adopted child) are playing with fire if they take schedule I drugs without medical supervision. Many of the worst outcomes found in families in which some relatives become mentally ill and some do not are among the persons who "self-medicate" (that is, abuse drugs) rather than reduce risk of perturbing their brain chemistry" because it is a factually correct statement. I don't know of any physician who regularly treats psychotic patients in emergency rooms who recommends that young people with family history medical risk for psychosis use marijuana. That is a distinctly bad idea.

ONE MORE EDIT:

I shared the article submitted here among my Facebook friends, and one thoughtful friend suggested the article, from the same newspaper in 2005, "Social Network's Healing Power Is Borne Out in Poorer Nations"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06...

as an interesting contrast to the situation described in today's article. There is some good back and forth among experts on schizophrenia in different countries in the previous article. Diseases influencing human behavior often manifest differently in different cultures.

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by erichocean on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:18PM (#4661907)
We do know that young people whose family history suggests genetic risk for major mental illness (which might not be known for a particular adopted child) are playing with fire if they take schedule I drugs without medical supervision.

That marijuana is classified as a "schedule I drug" is, itself, obscene and a result of politics, not science.

Therefore, the rest of your suggestion regarding them "playing with fire" does not apply in this instance.

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by hristov on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:36PM (#4661995)
There is a lot of research showing that marijuana speeds up the onset of schizophrenia in patients that are already genetically predisposed to it.

See: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2005559-2,00....

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by Shorel on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:45PM (#4662037)
Both alcohol and tobacco are legal, and have worse health consequences than marijuana.

The only real reason is that 90-70 years ago, the white people smoke tobacco and the black people smoke marijuana.

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by hristov on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @07:49PM (#4662518)
This is not the point. My point is that marijuana can speed up the onset of schizophrenia and should not be used by people that have family history of mental illness. It has nothing to do with what is legal and what isn't. Even if marijuana were legalized, my point would still stand.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by rhizome on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @11:05PM (#4663001)
I think an alternate interpretation of that study could be that if schizophrenia (considered my many to be an outdated term) runs in the family, future children will learn earlier that they need to try something to deal with the problem of schizophrenic parents being bad parents and making things worse overall.

More bluntly: because children are screwed up faster by the collective parenting habits of multiple generations of mentally ill ancestors, they turn to possible fixes outside of their screwed up families: junior high + pot is normal. Marijuana, if anything, is a minor symptom here.

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by philh on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @07:48PM (#4662513)
Note: You're talking about why alcohol and tobacco are legal while marijuana is illegal; but hristov was talking about whether or not someone who self-medicates with marijuana is playing with fire.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by mc32 on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @06:14PM (#4662173)
In the US, it was more or less unregulated till the 50s/60s. Also, your claim does not explain European countries' stand on it or that of African nations.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by jfrm on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @04:58AM (#4663674)
I believe trade agreements with the US prevent full legalization. Portugal decriminalization act was carefully drawn not to break any of this treaties.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by mc32 on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @01:24PM (#4665516)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this was not the case when the laws were originally passed in those countries. I.e. the original passage in decades past were not due to these trade pressures.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by gojomo on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @06:00PM (#4662105)
Do you have evidence that alcohol and tobacco are worse in the specific context of schizophrenia?
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by dchuk on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @06:12PM (#4662166)
This research paper seems to suggest that at least alcohol does: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~dcare/pdfs/fp/GreenAlan-Alcoholand...

Even if Alcohol doesn't specifically make schizophrenia worse, alcohol abuse is the most common comorbid disorder of schizophrenics and generally exacerbates all mental health problems to some extent.

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by gojomo on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @06:28PM (#4662245)
Thanks, interesting... though the opening line does seem to suggest marijuana use remains especially linked with schizophrenia -- in prevalence at least:

Alcohol use disorder, which is three times more common in patients with schizophrenia than in the general population, and cannabis use disorder, which is up to 10 times more common, both contribute to the morbidity of schizophrenia, through increased relapse, noncompliance with treatment, more hospitalizations, and poorer overall functioning.

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by Nursie on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @07:09PM (#4662389)
As far as I've read, and I read whatever I can, there's still no evidence one way or another about which causes which.

Does cannabis have a causitive or trigger effect on schizophrenia? Or are schizophrenics more likely to live on the fringes of society and encounter (and like) cannabis?

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by drusenko on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @09:13PM (#4662782)
Just one person's anecdote, but I am close with a person who is schizophrenic. Marijuana use significantly contributed to episode occurrence. After their psychologist told them that it can make things worse, they stopped, and it improved their situation considerably.

I think it's related to the whole paranoia side of things.

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by jlgreco on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @07:30PM (#4662453)
This is a valid point, and more work needs to be done in this field.

However I think a fairly safe default is to tell kids not to smoke pot until we can make a more educated decision (provided of course we don't extend that ban to adults for no reason, and provided we don't purposely ruin the lives of kids who don't listen. (You wouldn't arrest or kick a kid out of school for smoking tobacco.)).

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by rhizome on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @11:09PM (#4663010)
Or even more simply: is there something in marijuana that makes schizophrenia more tolerable than with alcohol. Furthermore, mentally ill people are going to have more trouble finding a regular pot dealer, the black market being an inherently suspicious place, so as their condition worsens alcohol becomes the most-available drug.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by bjourne on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @06:39AM (#4663843)
Tobacco has anti-psychotic properties which can help to alleviate the effects of schizophrenia, which is one reason almost all schizo patients smoke. Alcohol on the other hand can make the condition worse because it has psychotic properties. Marijuana is both psychotic and anti-psychotic so how that will affect the patient is more unclear.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by zerohm on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @09:19AM (#4664244)
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by jlgreco on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:22PM (#4661919)
Yeah, the only way "playing with [legal classification of drugs] is playing with fire" makes any sense is if the fire in question is set by the legal system.

Now, if you want to say "playing with stimulants" or "playing with depressants" or some other scientific classification, then that makes sense (though I would still like to see a citation..).

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by lysol on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:24PM (#4661931)
It's still a major mood and behavior alterer. A trained professional should be directing the patient's use.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by jlgreco on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:26PM (#4661941)
Certainly it, and any other drug or medication, should be taken with care in this particular situation. "Schedule I" has nothing to do with it though.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by sageikosa on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @09:55AM (#4664397)
Only if you believe the mood and behavior being directed towards leads to immediate sociopathic actions; otherwise, society has little to say about how an individual decides to regulate his mood and behavior.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by jlgreco on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:18PM (#4661908)
"We do know that young people whose family history suggests genetic risk for major mental illness (which might not be known for a particular adopted child) are playing with fire if they take schedule I drugs without medical supervision."

Considering that "Schedule I" is nothing more than a legal classification, I would like to see how that works. Does it just so happen that drugs in that legal classification coincide with drugs that people at risk of mental illness should not take? That seems like quite a coincidence, if true. If he were self-medicating with tobacco or caffeine, would you express similar concern?

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by droithomme on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:33PM (#4661972)
His Schedule I mention was likely overreaching.

Marijuana is relatively harmless and should be legalized. It is also known to be useful in the treatment of a number of ailments.

However, we do know of one certain negative reaction, with a fair degree of certainty: genetically schizophrenic predispositioned people who smoke marijuana as teenagers are more likely to develop schizophrenia.

Because of this, although it should be legalized, it should not be available to teens.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/teens-who-smoke-pot-at-ri...

http://www.livescience.com/10700-marijuana-worsens-schizophr...

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by wololo on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @06:29PM (#4662256)
schizophrenia isn't the only concern with pot

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109: "Findings are suggestive of a neurotoxic effect of cannabis on the adolescent brain"

Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by jlgreco on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:42PM (#4662022)
Hmm, interesting stuff. It sounds like this risk doesn't really tapper off after the teenage years, but rather in the mid 20s. Makes a 21-year cut-off some states are considering (instead of the obvious 18) make a bit more sense.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by emeraldd on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @05:23PM (#4661928)
The whole "Schedule I" thing is probably a bad choice of words on the authors part. Perhaps something along the lines of "mind altering substances"? Anything with the potential to significantly impact a persons impressions of the world around them is a bad idea in this situation.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by sageikosa on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @10:01AM (#4664440)
There is a whole lotta things outside ingested and inhaled chemicals which can lead significantly impact a persons impressions of the world around them. I always found Julian Jaynes take on the interpretation of the schizophrenic mind as being one of degrees and perhaps just a few neuro-physical variations away from "normal" as interesting ponderage.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by eavc on Tuesday October 16, 2012 @09:18PM (#4662795)
There are useful diagnostic criteria and well-understood risk factors for all sorts of mental illnesses. Schizophrenia is a particularly vexing case, but that does not mean that one cannot recognize that someone is at-risk for or already dealing with a mental health problem.
Re:My son is schizophrenic. The ‘reforms’ that I worked for ... by gms on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:17AM (#4663128)
I'm not a parent, but your comment is an informed and thoughtful one.