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Re:The rise of industrial software by huevosabio on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @04:58AM (#46442834)
I've been thinking about this for a while, and largely agree that industralization of software development is what we are seeing. But the emphasis on low quality is misplaced.

Take this for example:

``` Industrial systems reliably create economic pressure toward excess, low quality goods. ```

Industrial systems allow for low quality goods, but also they deliver quality way beyond what can be achieved in artisanal production. A mass produced mid-tier car is going to be much better than your artisanal car.

Scale allows you not only to produce more cheaply, but also to take quality control to the extreme.

Re:The rise of industrial software by nchmy on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @06:28AM (#46443272)
I generally agree. Industrialization puts a decent floor on quality, at low cost. But it also has a ceiling.

Perhaps an industrial car is better than your or my artisanal car, but I'm sure there's people who build cars by hand of very high quality (over the course of years). Likewise fine carpentry vs mass produced stuff vs ikea.

Or I make sourdough bread and it would be very impractical/uncompetitive to start selling it unless I scaled up to make dozens, maybe hundreds, of loaves per day. But it's absolutely far better than any bread you can find on any supermarket shelf. It's also arguably better than most artisanal bakeries who have to follow a production process every day.

Re:The rise of industrial software by pydry on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @07:27AM (#46443554)
The difference between an artisinal car and a mass produced car is that the former can only be used by one person.

This has never been true for "artisanal" software. It could be used by nobody or by millions. This is why the economic model OP proposes falls apart.

Re:The rise of industrial software by the_sleaze_ on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @11:09AM (#46445374)
Exactly. Breadmaker is only as good as the last loaf. Software only needs to be perfect once.
Re:The rise of industrial software by throw0101d on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @10:40PM (#46451100)
> Perhaps an industrial car is better than your or my artisanal car, but I'm sure there's people who build cars by hand of very high quality (over the course of years). Likewise fine carpentry vs mass produced stuff vs ikea.

I think automobiles are a bad example: I'd trust the reliability and quality of a mass produced Toyota or Honda over a hand-made Ferrari. (Of course there are bad mass produced cars as well.)

Re:The rise of industrial software by coryrc on Thursday January 01, 2026 @03:41AM (#46452381)
Your Toyota Corolla is more reliable than any supercar ever made. Supercar owners just have money to pay people to handle the unreliability.

But reliability isn't the only measure of quality.

Re:The rise of industrial software by swiftcoder on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @06:03AM (#46443161)
> but also they deliver quality way beyond what can be achieved in artisanal production

I don't think this is true in general, although it may be in certain product categories. Hand-built supercars are still valued by the ultra-wealthy. Artisanal bakeries consistently make better pastries than anything mass produced... and so on

Re:The rise of industrial software by nchmy on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @06:28AM (#46443276)
Lol, I now see your comment already used the exact same examples that my sibling comment did
Re:The rise of industrial software by cinntaile on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @06:00AM (#46443148)
Better along which dimensions? Most luxury cars are made the artisanal way.
Re:The rise of industrial software by bluGill on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @06:56AM (#46443411)
That doesn't make them better. It makes them exclusive since only a few could have one.
Re:The rise of industrial software by cinntaile on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @07:32AM (#46443577)
I still don't know what better means in this context, so I don't understand what your comment adds to the discussion?
Re:The rise of industrial software by bluGill on Thursday January 01, 2026 @08:41AM (#46454026)
Better is debatable. I would say things like quality and value (total costs including fuel) matter and I don't care about who made it. Probably some other things if I thought more. Ymmv.
Re:The rise of industrial software by tosapple on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @05:29AM (#46442989)
How does that apply to amish furniture?
Re:The rise of industrial software by Ghos3t on Thursday January 01, 2026 @09:54AM (#46454592)
You think hallucinating AI will improve quality control for software