You can’t be that naive to believe that military might has nothing to do with political might.

That's not what I said. I said that it doesn't matter.

Military might has plenty to do with bluffing. That's what politics is all about.

But when the music stops and the ball drops, US and EU aren't going to war with each other any time soon. So measuring military might doesn't really matter.

And you can't be that naive to believe is gonna make any difference. The US that had to get out of Korea, Vietnam, all the way to Afghanistan, will take on Europe? Lol...

It’s not what the US might do, it’s what they might not do.

If Putin decides Poland is propping up Ukraine he might expand the war into Poland because right now it isn’t clear that the US would honor their NATO commitments.

Ukraine was not a NATO country, never mind a EU country. I’m all for speaking truth to the weakness of the eu and its indecisive pussyfooting on the military front but let’s not start getting high on our own supply: Russia absolutely does not have the military nor industrial power to invade Poland and take on the actual EU in a hot war. NATO or no NATO it wouldn’t even be close.

Or it could just end with mutual total nuclear annihilation of course.

Edit: now if they were to attack the eu over a decades long interference campaign with its member state democracies, funding anti eu parties, stoking separatist sentiments, and covertly subverting the fundamental pillars of its liberal democracies, on the other hand…

I think Putin would use nuclear weapons. I don’t think the EU would retaliate in kind.

If we're accepting as a given that somehow Putin launches nukes into Europe to invade Poland, and the EU doesn't retaliate in kind, then the USA definitely wouldn't--NATO or no NATO--so I'm not sure how it's relevant to the original comment.

Europe doesn't need the US to defend Poland against Russia.

If EU countries commit to a conflict, Russia has no chance. It makes nuclear escalation a real risk though.

Russia is has tried and failed for a couple of years now to push particularly far into Ukraine, and you think Europe would have a problem stopping a Russian attack on Poland?

Poland alone has a population comparable to Ukraine, and a significantly larger economy.