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Re:Experts Explore New Mushroom Which Causes Fairytale-Like ... by jacquesm on Friday December 26, 2025 @08:06PM (#46398149)
It definitely is not useful. Your model should at least attempt to approximate reality, not to depart from it by putting effect before the cause. That way lies madness.
Re:Experts Explore New Mushroom Which Causes Fairytale-Like ... by fc417fc802 on Friday December 26, 2025 @08:22PM (#46398234)
It is not a model. It is a description. I'm torn on whether it would be correct to refer to the approach as constituting a sort of analogy.

No idea why you think the effect is being put before the cause. I'm hungry so I head to the kitchen. An observer says "he wants to eat". Antibiotics are administered. Only the bacterial cells expressing a certain set of proteins survive. An observer says "the infection wants to be resistant".

Re:Experts Explore New Mushroom Which Causes Fairytale-Like ... by uplifter on Saturday December 27, 2025 @06:36AM (#46401073)
> An observer says "the infection wants to be resistant"

I can confidently claim that literally nobody says this because a google search for this exact phrase has only one result, and its this thread.[0]

Really though, I have never met a biologist who thought this way. All of the ones I've met and worked with knew that development of antibiotic resistance is not in any way like a decision process, and they usually understood on an intuitive level that bacterial cultures don't have a goal of developing the capability. Its just something that evolves, which is a distinct category of process.

Talking about it the other anthropomorphic way, like you claim is normal and acceptable, just confuses things; it is the opposite of helpful analogy. Infections don't "want" anything, they are better understood using the details of their actual biomolecular mechanics, which are about as far different from how brains work as could be imagined.

[0]https://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+infection+wants+to+be...

Re:Experts Explore New Mushroom Which Causes Fairytale-Like ... by jacquesm on Saturday December 27, 2025 @07:04AM (#46401238)
> An observer says "the infection wants to be resistant".

That's complete bs. Infections don't want anything. You're stuck in a loop of your own making, the only way out is to backtrack, not to keep on digging.

These lines of thinking were discredited many years ago and since then the field has seen enormous progress, anthropomorphize all you want but reality does not care.

Re:Experts Explore New Mushroom Which Causes Fairytale-Like ... by squeefers on Saturday December 27, 2025 @10:34AM (#46402564)
try telling that to quantum physicists... theyll just give you the wave function and say "well it works doesnt it"?
Re:Experts Explore New Mushroom Which Causes Fairytale-Like ... by jacquesm on Saturday December 27, 2025 @10:53AM (#46402676)
That's a bad take. I'm sure you can do a lot better than that.
Re:Experts Explore New Mushroom Which Causes Fairytale-Like ... by squeefers on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @11:02AM (#46514056)
i dont think youve understood it correctly
Re:Experts Explore New Mushroom Which Causes Fairytale-Like ... by dimator on Sunday December 28, 2025 @01:42PM (#46413354)
Except for the decades of experiments yielding validated predictions?
Re:Experts Explore New Mushroom Which Causes Fairytale-Like ... by squeefers on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @11:02AM (#46514041)
youve missed the point entirely