>harassed
This just in, anonymous forum user SHOCKINGLY HARASSED, PELTED with HIGH-SPEED ideas and arguments, his positions BRUTALLY ATTACKED and PUBLICLY DEFACED.
Post you’re replying to:
Which is what? I’m honestly unsure. Could be: we need to nuke the data centers, or unseat any judge that has allowed this, or somehow move the law from “it’s cool to do matmuls with text as long as you have the right to read it.” Not against any of those but I’m sure I’m Other Team coded to you given the amount of harassment you’ve done in this thread to me and others.
All of this meta-discussion of debating when/how we should debate or complaining how "rude" or "boorish" we are is more off-topic, boring and distracting than any flamewar.
The whole point of this site is to coerce public-facing people (like VC founders) into interacting with anonymous users and debating the ideas themselves. A sort of middle ground between reddit and 4chan. That's what all the "civility" and "kindness" talk is for.
It’s really hard to parse this thread because you and the other gentleman keep telling anyone who engages they aren’t engaging.
You both seem worked up and perceiving others as disagreeing with you wholesale on the very concept that AI companies could be forced to compensate people for training data, and morally injuring you.
Your conduct to a point, but especially their conduct, goes far beyond what I’m used to on HN. I humbly suggest you decouple yourself a bit from them, you really did go too far with the slavery bit, and it was boorish to then make child porn analogy.
All we have is an exquisite, thoughtful, nuanced, analogy of how it is exactly like America enslaving Black people in the 1800s. i.e. a cheap appeal to morality.
Then, it is followed by repeated brow-beating comment to anyone who replied, complaining something wasn’t being engaged with.
What exactly wasn’t being engaged with?
It is still unclear.
Do feel free to share, or apologize even. It’s understandable you went a bit too far because you really do feel it’s the same as slavers in the 1800s in America, what’s not understandable is complaining no one is engaging correctly.
If you distribute child porn, that is a crime. But if you crawl every image on the web and then train a model that can then synthesize child porn, the current legal model apparently has no concept of this and it is treated completely differently.
Generally, I am more interested in how this effects copyright. These AI companies just have free reign to convert copyrighted works into the public domain through the proxy of over-trained AI models. If you release something as GPL, they can strip the license, but the same is not true of closed-source code which isn't trained on.
Anyone tempted to double down on this: sure, maybe, someday it’s like The Matrix or whatever. I was 12 when it came out & understood that was a fictional extreme. You do too. And you stumbled into a better analogy than slavery in 1800s.