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Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by Tiberium on Monday December 22, 2025 @03:42PM (#46358802)
The frontend examples, especially the first one, look uncannily similar to what Gemini 3 Pro usually produces. Make of that what you will :)

EDIT: Also checked the chats they shared, and the thinking process is very similar to the raw (not the summarized) Gemini 3 CoT. All the bold sections, numbered lists. It's a very unique CoT style that only Gemini 3 had before today :)

Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by reissbaker on Monday December 22, 2025 @03:43PM (#46358814)
I don't mind if they're distilling frontier models to make them cheaper, and open-sourcing the weights!
Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by Imustaskforhelp on Monday December 22, 2025 @04:41PM (#46359488)
Same, although gemini 3 flash already gives a run for the cheaper aspect but a part of me really wants to get open source too because that way if I really want to some day, I can have privacy or get my own hardware to run it

I genuinely hope that gemini 3 flash gets open sourced but I feel like that can actually crash the AI bubble if something like this happens because I genuinely feel like although there are still some issues of vibing with the overall model itself, I find it very competent overall and fast and I genuinely feel like at this point, there might be some placebo effects too but in reality, the model feels really solid.

Like all of western countries (mostly) wouldn't really have a point to compete or incentives if someone open sources the model because then the competition would rather be on providers/ their speeds (like how groq,cerebras have an insane speed)

I had heard that google would allow institutions like universities to self host gemini models or similar so there are chances as to what if the AI bubble actually pops up if gemini models or top tier models accidentally get leaked or similar but I genuinely doubt of it as happening and there are many other ways that the AI bubble will pop.

Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by scotty79 on Tuesday December 23, 2025 @07:45AM (#46364899)
Models being open weights lets infrastructure providers compete in delivering models as service, fastests and cheapest.

At some point companies should be forced to release the weights after a reasonable time passed since they sold the service for the first time. Maybe after 3 years or so.

It would be great for competition and security research.

Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by ImprobableTruth on Monday December 22, 2025 @05:16PM (#46359825)
How is the raw Gemini 3 CoT accessed? Isn't it hidden?
Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by Tiberium on Monday December 22, 2025 @05:53PM (#46360165)
There are tricks on the API to get access to the raw Gemini 3 CoT, it's extremely easy compared to getting CoT of GPT-5 (very, very hard).
Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by ceroxylon on Monday December 22, 2025 @08:13PM (#46361284)
What are you referring to? I see the 'reasoning' in OpenRouter for GPT-5.2, I was under the impression that is the CoT.
Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by Tiberium on Monday December 22, 2025 @08:21PM (#46361333)
Yes, that's exactly what I'm referring to. When you're using the direct Gemini API (AI Studio/Vertex), with specific tricks you can get the raw reasoning/CoT output of the model, not the summary.
Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by bwat49 on Tuesday December 23, 2025 @10:05AM (#46365821)
in antigravity gemini sometimes inserts its CoT directly into code comments lol
Re:GLM-4.7: Advancing the Coding Capability by orbital-decay on Tuesday December 23, 2025 @02:50AM (#46363320)
Yeah, I think it sometimes even repeats Gemini's injected platform instructions. It's pretty curious because a) Gemini uses something closer to the "chain of draft" and never repeats them in full naturally, only the relevant part, and b) these instructions don't seem to have any effect in GLM, it repeats them in the CoT but never follows them. Which is a real problem with any CoT trained through RL (the meaning diverges from the natural language due to reward hacking). Is it possible they used is in the initial SFT pass to improve the CoT readability?