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Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by TrevorJ on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @12:00AM (#463529)
We need to start a hacker health site. Hackers know that there is the way everybody does it, and then there is the less obvious, simpler and infinitely cooler way to approach it. The same has got to be true for fitness. I for one hate the idea of driving to a gym to stand next to a bunch of sweaty guys who look like they actually belong there for an hour 6 days a week. There has to be other, more fun way of getting in shape and eating right that will work better in the hacker lifestyle.
Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by tdavis on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @03:30AM (#463710)
The gym: where everybody is in better shape than you, no matter what shape you're in. It'll take about six months, but you'll get used to the idea ;)

And most of them are very nice and willing to help newcomers. They only look like they're about to send you through the nearest wall.

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by paulgb on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @02:11AM (#463653)
A hacker approach to health would be interesting.

Apparently John Walker (co-founder of Autodesk) wrote a book on weight loss taking an engineering approach (The Hacker's Diet, http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/hackdiet.html). I wonder if anything like that has been written for strength training?

The 100 push-ups plan seemed to appeal especially to hackers, but while it seems like a good start it would be nice if it were a bit broader in scope.

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by amohr on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @01:30PM (#464384)
An old parkour friend of mine started doing 10 pushups on the hour every hour he was awake. Then after a week, he would move up to 11, 12, etc. When he got to 25, he started over with inclined pushups. If you're into rock climbing, you could instead switch to tri-pushups or fingertips. It makes for a really good break from whatever you're working on during the day.

I could never quite get on it due to my classload, but he does probably 100 handstand pushups a day.

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by jcl on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @11:22AM (#464145)
Another hackerly exercise page: http://www.shovelglove.com/
Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by gravitycop on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @12:17AM (#463552)
There has to be other, more fun way of getting in shape

Say hello to 7-OXO DHEA (also known as 7-Keto DHEA): http://www.bulknutrition.com/advanced_search_result.php?&...

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=4948

Researchers discovered that 7-OXO does not convert to testosterone or estrogen, minimizing androgenic activity, and supports various physiological processes. It is several times more potent than DHEA in stimulating the thermogenic enzymes of the liver, promotes basal metabolism, and helps to increase the lean/adipose ratio.

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by oldgregg on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @01:39AM (#463629)
This seems really interesting--- bizarre that there isn't more research on it. I've also had AMAZING success with Provigil (import from India el-cheapo). It keeps me in the zone for hours on end... with no side effects except for a welcomed slight loss of appetite. I wouldn't have believed you if you told me a drug like it exists, but sure enough...

It's almost like the FDA is plotting against us...

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by gravitycop on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @01:50AM (#463641)
bizarre that there isn't more research on [7-Keto].

Check my PubMed links, in my response to shaunxcode.

Provigil (import from India el-cheapo).

I have imported the older, cheaper version of Provigil (Adrafinil; costs about 1/5th of Provigil price, after correcting for dose-equivalence). I have been wanting to try Provigil (also known as Modafinil). Which offshore pharmacy do you use, if you don't mind my asking?

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by oldgregg on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @03:00AM (#463682)
I've used shop.airsealed.com but more recently www.thepharmacyexpress.com because it's cheaper-- Never had any problems.

I love pharma-hacking, always looking for recommendations... India is the way to go. I was over there a couple years ago and someone told me they basically only have two price points for pills in the country-- either ~13 cents or ~24 cents. Totally different pricing dynamics without all those nasty patent laws... One time I asked a hotel concierge for a substantial supply of Ambien and he just laughed, "no valium? ketamine?"

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by Iconoclast on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @04:03AM (#463732)
When I was looking into getting cheap Adderal online after losing my insurance, several of the sites I researched were exposed as selling fake meds, so I gave up. How are you sure that you are getting the actual medication?
Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by gravitycop on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @06:13PM (#464917)
When I was looking into getting cheap Adderal online after losing my insurance, several of the sites I researched were exposed as selling fake meds

One clue should have been the fact that they were claiming to be selling Adderall. Adderall is a Schedule II drug. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act#Sched...

These substances are only available by prescription, and distribution is carefully controlled and monitored by the DEA. [...]

Drugs in this schedule include:

  Cocaine
  Opium
  Methadone
  Morphine
  Amphetamine
  Methamphetamine

We are not talking about trying to import things - like cocaine, morphine, Adderall and any other Schedule II drug - that cannot be legally imported. We are talking about normal, legally-importable drugs such as Provigil.

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by burke on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @11:08PM (#465243)
Looks like you need a license to import Modafinil into Canada, and can't get it without a prescription. (Schedule F Part 1). Can anyone that knows how these laws work confirm that?

EDIT: Confirmed. See Section C.01.045 of http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/hpfb-dgpsa/pdf/legi...

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by oldgregg on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @09:56AM (#464049)
Well I took a chance and it worked out alright, but it could be more difficult depending on the med... There is so much spam in the online pharmacy space you do have to cut through the clutter... I waded through as many forums and blog posts as possible to narrow my list down, then just started with a small order to see what would happen. Then as long as you get them and they look legit you will probably be okay. Also, find a place that will accept a credit cards... I've noticed legit places are really responsive in order to avoid charge backs.
Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by gravitycop on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @06:30PM (#464945)
I love pharma-hacking, always looking for recommendations.

I have used QHI for Adrafinil. They also have Modafinil (Provigil). A lot of rec.drugs.smart folks use QHI: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.drugs.smart/search?group=...

RX-Mex (4rx) is good for other items. These are the lowest-price pharmacies, that are reliable and easy to deal with, I know of. (Some people complain about 4rx mass-emails. I haven't had any problems.)

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by shaunxcode on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @12:32AM (#463572)
What are the downsides to this stuff? I googled a bit and couldn't find anything particularly detrimental. It even seems have "memory enhancement" attributed to it.

http://www.delano.com/Articles/ketoDHEA.html - this was the most informative page that I could find discussing the benefits and claims against it. Seems to come out on top as being safe and effective though.

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by gravitycop on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @12:52AM (#463589)
What are the downsides to this stuff?

I don't know of any downsides to 7-Keto (7-oxo). However, I know that DHEA, on the other hand, has many downsides. It is important to note that 7-Keto (7-oxo) is not DHEA. It is a metabolite of DHEA. For a complete list of studies and abstracts, including the latest, I would search PubMed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&term=... (7-Keto search; 14 hits.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&term=... (7-oxo search; 47 hits.)

There was an LEF (Life Extension Foundation) magazine cover story on 7-Keto (7-oxo) in the May 2005 issue: http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/may2005_cover_keto_01.ht...

Scientists have documented DHEA’s wide-ranging benefits in numerous clinical studies. DHEA helps to retard the effects of aging and promotes enhanced longevity, exerting a multitude of effects through its conversion to some 150 metabolites, each with unique actions within the body.

One of the most important of these is 7-Keto DHEA (commonly referred to as 7-Keto), a hormone metabolite that can safely boost immune function and help reduce body fat. Unlike DHEA, however, 7-Keto does not convert to estrogen and testosterone. Because DHEA and 7-Keto have separate and unique functions and properties, it is important to understand the differences between these two popular dietary supplements. [...]

A study with mice suggests that 7-Keto can boost memory as well.17 In this experiment, researchers at the University of Wisconsin in Madison trained young mice in the use of a water maze. They found that a single injection of 7-Keto (at 24 mg/kg of body weight) reversed experimentally induced memory loss. The scientists then fed 7-Keto or DHEA to old mice that had learned the maze. They discovered that memory of the water-maze training was retained during a four-week test period in the mice receiving 7-Keto but not in those treated with DHEA.

The article includes 18 references.

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by gravitycop on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @10:35PM (#465213)
What are the downsides to this stuff?

Here is one of the latest studies I could find (2007 Sep;18): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17418559

This study tested the hypothesis that 3-acetyl-7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone alone (7-Keto) and in combination with calcium citrate, green tea extract, ascorbic acid, chromium nicotinate and cholecalciferol (HUM5007) will increase the resting metabolic rate (RMR) of overweight subjects maintained on a calorie-restricted diet. [...]

In this study, the administration of HUM5007 or 7-Keto reversed the decrease in RMR normally associated with dieting. HUM5007 and 7-Keto increased RMR above basal levels and may benefit obese individuals with impaired energy expenditure. HUM5007 and 7-Keto were generally well tolerated and no serious adverse events were reported.

Note that it says, "7-Keto [was] generally well tolerated and no serious adverse events were reported". Cholecalciferol is also known as Vitamin D3 and is widely available as a dietary supplement.

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by ejs on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @07:44AM (#463904)
7-keto is not very effective imo, never noticed a thing from it. Dieting is still the easiest way to drop weight.

The pros just go all out and use the hardcore stuff... like GH, DNP, clenbuterol

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by Tichy on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @03:15AM (#463698)
cough Wii Fit cough

Although to be honest I don't really believe in the Wii Fit yet. But if it worked, it should be fun...

Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by gaius on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @09:30AM (#464021)
It does exist - I've seen it.
Re:Programmers, Promise Yourself This by Tichy on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @10:17AM (#464077)
I know that it exists, I just can't imagine that it is really fun for an extended period of time.