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Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by Zealotux on Sunday December 21, 2025 @03:28PM (#46348096)
In the ancient Greek colony of Locri, any who proposed a new law would do so with a rope around their neck, if the law was voted down, they would get hanged.

Food for thought.

Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by simonebrunozzi on Sunday December 21, 2025 @03:38PM (#46348187)
Zaleucus [0] from Locri wrote the first law system in the 7th century BC. Might be connected to what you have shared.

Today's Locri is in Calabria, a region in Italy that many consider infested with mafia-like organizations, which is of course sad, but also ironic.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaleucus

Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by quotemstr on Sunday December 21, 2025 @03:48PM (#46348273)
Once social trust (or assibiyah, to use Ibn Khandun's term) in a region collapses, it often returns slowly or not at all. Sadly common pattern in history. I think one could plausibly argue that in this way, Calabria never recovered from the collapse of antiquity, the Gothic wars, and generations spent as a Christian-Muslim war zone.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by zen928 on Sunday December 21, 2025 @04:15PM (#46348539)
Intentionally misinformed citizens continued to charge the streets demanding "essential services" like barber shops need to be reopened and to intentionally dismantle and resist against all government protections on public safety during the pandemic (like wearing a mask during an active spreading event), literally while their grandparents and relatives slowly and painfully died on respirators in hospitals largely agreeing with the same notion of covid prevention measures being "pointless". They then attacked the institutions that provided either medical treatments or provided assistance, and continue to promote that culture. Lemmings to a cause they dont understand for a message they know is false.

That is to say, there's always someone ready to make zealots die for a cause. IMO, that change would only shift in favor of the most radical extremists who see human life as expendable rather than cause anyone in power to think twice about pushing their ideologies onto masses.

Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by LtWorf on Sunday December 21, 2025 @05:32PM (#46349266)
When governments push out clearly nonsensical regulations, like you must go to the office even if you can work from home, but you cannot go hiking, yes people do tend to get mad.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by Dylan16807 on Sunday December 21, 2025 @07:16PM (#46349997)
I saw a couple unreasonable restrictions like that in some places. It's not what caused the vast majority of complaints.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by LtWorf on Monday December 22, 2025 @02:50AM (#46352119)
Yes yes everyone except you is stupid.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by Dylan16807 on Monday December 22, 2025 @01:55PM (#46357406)
You're making some big jumps in guessing my thoughts and those jumps are wrong.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by fylo on Sunday December 21, 2025 @06:47PM (#46349838)
Masks and protocols around them were largely just theatre though. Only very expensive n95 or better type masks, which were properly fitted and handled would actually provide any sort of protection from covid. Even the eventual proponents of masks initially were against the idea as in many ways many of the responses to covid were directed politically, not practically.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by Dylan16807 on Sunday December 21, 2025 @07:14PM (#46349981)
The proper masks are not expensive and an imperfect fit still helps a lot.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by fylo on Sunday December 21, 2025 @08:38PM (#46350450)
The majority of people were not wearing the proper masks, nor were they mandated or even in great supply. As I said, it was theatre.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by Skwid on Monday December 22, 2025 @04:14AM (#46352467)
Perhaps the messaging was different where you lived, but I don't believe any credible professional was suggesting those outside healthcare wear masks for their own protection. Mask mandates are to reduce the risk of others catching covid from you, a considerably easier task for which even cloth masks are usefully effective. There's a reason surgeons masks are still used.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by aaronmdjones on Monday December 22, 2025 @06:00AM (#46353141)
The mask mandates weren't to protect you, they were to protect others from you. If everyone did this, the spread would have been massively reduced, and super-spreader events wouldn't have happened anywhere near as much.

Unfortunately, a great many people simply refused to distance and wear a mask, and then when they became infected, spread it far and wide, sometimes not even aware that they were doing so. Approximately 40% of those infected were asymptomatic, meaning they would feel fine but still make others around them sick (or end up killing them).

Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by kgwxd on Sunday December 21, 2025 @03:37PM (#46348177)
I don't think that system would have the desired results in a world where most people have already voted to hang themselves.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by 7bit on Sunday December 21, 2025 @05:42PM (#46349347)
This food is rotten. Do better.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by 36890752189743 on Monday December 22, 2025 @05:48AM (#46353056)
Won't someone think of the regime? :(
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by SamDc73 on Sunday December 21, 2025 @06:22PM (#46349677)
U.S. lawmaking has a built-in ratchet effect: passing new laws is politically easier than repealing old ones.

An easy way to solve this is all laws should have an expiration date by default.

Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by HNisCIS on Sunday December 21, 2025 @06:37PM (#46349780)
Well, Congress renewed the Patriot act so I don't have a lot of faith. Personally I'm starting to think that all of Congress, including aides, should get cycled out all at once periodically so that their internal culture of hating the masses gets broken.
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by SamDc73 on Sunday December 21, 2025 @06:44PM (#46349815)
Fair point. The USA PATRIOT Act shouldn’t have existed in the first place. But one of its most controversial parts (Section 215) did expire in 2020 (it was barely going to make it, though).

But you’re right overall: most of the Act’s powers were repeatedly renewed or re-created under other laws.

Sunset clauses aren’t a silver bullet, but they do occasionally stop or slow things that would otherwise become permanent.

Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by Obscurity4340 on Sunday December 21, 2025 @07:08PM (#46349950)
Excellent idea (re:mandatory expiration dates/sunset clauses)
Re:Mullvad VPN: "This is a Chat Control 3.0 attempt." by m000 on Monday December 22, 2025 @04:12AM (#46352453)
But then how would all these lawyers be able to charge you $500/hour?