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Re:Backing Up Spotify by lurk2 on Sunday December 21, 2025 @01:42AM (#46342788)
> that to evade such insanity is wrong in some way.

There’s a commons problem at play here. Most habitual pirates couldn’t pay for what they are pirating even if they wanted to, so restricting their access just makes the world worse-off; but who is going to finance the creation of new content if everything is just reliant on completely optional donations?

The 100 year period is absurd and does nothing to incentivize art, but there are costs involved in production of these works. People are always going to make music and write books regardless of the economic outcome; far fewer are going to write technical manuals or act as qualified reporters without being compensated.

Re:Backing Up Spotify by 0x3f on Sunday December 21, 2025 @05:16AM (#46343753)
> Most habitual pirates couldn’t pay for what they are pirating

Seems questionable. You can cover almost everything with a handful of monthly subscriptions these days. In fact I often pirate things that I otherwise have access to via e.g. Amazon Prime.

> but who is going to finance the creation of new content if everything is just reliant on completely optional donations?

Well this is an appeal to consequences, right? It's probably true that increased protectable output is a positive of IP law, but that doesn't mean it's an optimal overall state, given the (massive) negatives. It's a local maxima, or so I would argue.

Plus it's a bit of a strange argument. It seems to claim that we must protect Disney from e.g. 'knock offs', and somehow if we didn't, nobody would be motivated to create things. But then who would be making the knock-offs and what would be motivating them?

Re:Backing Up Spotify by lurk2 on Sunday December 21, 2025 @08:16AM (#46344620)
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Re:Backing Up Spotify by 0x3f on Sunday December 21, 2025 @04:26PM (#46348672)
> The majority of people on earth cannot afford more than two or three of these subscriptions.

I would guess the majority of people on earth don't even have good enough internet to pirate HD video, nor the technical skills to do it, so we're not really talking about global averages here.

> Without any* copyright law, any content that is generated effectively gets arbitraged out to the most efficient hosts and promoters. This might be a win for readers in the short term, but long-term tends towards commodification that simply won’t sustain specialized subject matter in the absence of a patronage model.

I don't think you understand my argument. I don't deny that this may be true. I deny that it is ipso facto the best outcome to have high-quality creator content, or whatever we are talking about here, at the cost of the massive benefits of free use. You might as well tell me New Jersey gas pumping laws lead to nicer service experiences, and getting rid of them would ruin that.

We can arbitrarily prop up any industry to make it cushy and a 'nice experience'. That doesn't make doing so the greatest overall good.

I would argue that even if all that we achieved with the abolition of IP law was the provision of cheap generic drugs, long out of research, it'd be worth far more than the YouTube creator economy.

Re:Backing Up Spotify by _DeadFred_ on Sunday December 21, 2025 @10:07PM (#46350903)
Anyone is free to release under free use in our current system. You already can live with the benefits of no IP law by just limiting yourself to those people that chose to to release this way.
Re:Backing Up Spotify by woctordho on Monday December 22, 2025 @02:11AM (#46351996)
The worldwide median internet download bandwidth is about 100 Mbps, which is far enough for HD or bluray video. The technical barrier can be as low as 'click to search, click to download' in some user-friendly BT clients. That being said, the price of these subscriptions is a problem that actually needs to be solved.
Re:Backing Up Spotify by lurk2 on Monday December 22, 2025 @05:55AM (#46353092)
> I would guess the majority of people on earth don't even have good enough internet to pirate HD video

Why is that the qualification you’re using? There are plenty of people in the developing world who have benefitted from access to e.g. LibGen who would never be able to afford to legally access the materials hosted there.

My point is that under the abolitionist model there is no financial incentive to create anything because the profits get arbitraged away by the most efficient copy services. This wouldn’t be relevant for saturated mediums like music or literature, but it does create a free rider problem in scenarios where the intellectual property has a high cost of production and not many people qualified to produce it (e.g. technical manuals, pharmaceutical research, well-produced films, etc.)

Pirates effectively have their usage subsidized by those who actually pay for the content. A huge amount of human potential is unlocked when works are freely available through legitimate platforms; neither of us are disputing this. The reason I can’t get on board with copyright abolitionism over copyright term reduction is because I don’t see how certain works will be produced at all under an abolitionist model that can only sustain itself via voluntary donations.

Re:Backing Up Spotify by klez on Sunday December 21, 2025 @07:56AM (#46344505)
> You can cover almost everything with a handful of monthly subscriptions these days.

Maybe for you that's something you can afford. I can't. I just consume less music. Or sail the high seas if I really want something.

Re:Backing Up Spotify by 0x3f on Sunday December 21, 2025 @04:19PM (#46348589)
If we're purely talking about music then almost everything is on YouTube, which has a subscription cost of $0/mo.
Re:Backing Up Spotify by thisisabore on Sunday December 21, 2025 @02:07PM (#46347333)
There are several labs and researchers with ideas on how to do this and published books on the subject (https://www.sharing-thebook.com/).

Long story short: workable solutions exist, it is entirely a question of political will and lack thereof.

Re:Backing Up Spotify by aqeelat on Sunday December 21, 2025 @02:32PM (#46347553)
This would work on niche segments and not for the masses. Look up YouTube subscribers to Pateon ratio.