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Re:Creating apps like Signal could be 'hostile activity' cla... by cjbgkagh on Thursday December 18, 2025 @10:14AM (#46313555)
There are a few people in charge, they just don’t advertise the fact. Similar how the ‘Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence’. These both appear correct to the vast majority of people because of the Pareto distribution of outcomes, the vast majority of people experience the incompetence / no-one in charge and don’t experience the relatively tiny number of events when the competent malevolent people in charge do make their decisions. Consider if you were hosting the Jekyll Island meeting, how many people of what caliber would you invite to be there? And that’s just one of the meetings we know about. Another good one is the involvement of Bohemian Grove in selecting Ronald Regan to run for president. Their motto, "Weaving spiders come not here", like many institutions, describes the opposite of what actually happens there.
Re:Creating apps like Signal could be 'hostile activity' cla... by 9dev on Thursday December 18, 2025 @10:26AM (#46313749)
No, that's what I was getting at. Thinking "they" are in charge is actually very widespread, with varying opinions on who "they" actually are—whether it's billionaires for you, the Rothschild's for others, or Reptilians for some.

How great it would be to have a select few evil masterminds, a clear enemy to roil against! That isn't reality, though. Would the super-secret council of puppet masters have allowed Trump to become president of the USA (again) and ruin the economy? You'll have an answer to that, obviously. It matters little. Reality is far more complex, shadow masters prefer stability over chaos, and the world is generally full of competing and opposing interests.

A few rich men might hold a lot of power in their hands, I give you that; but unless you limit "the world" to mean an arbitrary smaller region of earth, nobody is in charge of it all.

Re:Creating apps like Signal could be 'hostile activity' cla... by coliveira on Thursday December 18, 2025 @11:16AM (#46314631)
You're confusing control with total control. Nobody has total control, even the most powerful and rich entities. This doesn't mean, however, that a lot of the policies we see being enacted by governments have not been discussed and promoted by a small number of people in very high positions of economic and political power. You're trying to disprove this well known and easily attested fact with the straw man of total control.
Re:Creating apps like Signal could be 'hostile activity' cla... by cjbgkagh on Thursday December 18, 2025 @10:50AM (#46314187)
Not even Trump thinks he’s in charge, he has to ask Netanyahu, Susie Wiles, and Alan Dershowitz for permission to act first.

Would the elite allow Trump to get elected even if he’ll tank the economy, I think that depends on how much he will pledge in support of Israel and its wars of expansion. It’s now or never for them.

I think Americans are discovering how government policy does not reflect popular sentiment across the vast majority of political spectrum and are left wondering who really governs their country because it’s clearly not the voters. Of the right wing who remains in the Trump tent? Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Miriam Adelson (a female billionaire btw). I would measure the extent of this ‘awakening’ with the burgeoning popularity of Nick Fuentes. Tucker Carlson has been trying to out flank Nick from the right but didn’t move fast enough. My pet theory is that we’re seeing an external representation of an internal CIA conflict. The ‘restrainers’ versus the ‘primacists’.

What I think is not important, I don’t even vote in my own country. I think financialization is a poison and anyone who believes Gen Z will accept higher taxes to bail out insolvent pension funds will be in for a rude awakening. We’re in the looting phase of collapse so I doubt this is a situation that can still be resolved politically. It’ll be hard for anyone to be in charge now for sure now we are governed by incompetence, but this too is the result of competence malice of decisions made long ago. So I would give the prior decisions more weight.

Re:Creating apps like Signal could be 'hostile activity' cla... by 9dev on Thursday December 18, 2025 @11:03AM (#46314404)
So it is the Zionists for you. I should have guessed so.
Re:Creating apps like Signal could be 'hostile activity' cla... by onraglanroad on Thursday December 18, 2025 @03:06PM (#46317919)
Do you think it's a coincidence they're called Gen Z?!
Re:Creating apps like Signal could be 'hostile activity' cla... by parineum on Thursday December 18, 2025 @11:03AM (#46314407)
> Consider if you were hosting the Jekyll Island meeting, how many people of what caliber would you invite to be there? And that’s just one of the meetings we know about. Another good one is the involvement of Bohemian Grove in selecting Ronald Regan to run for president. Their motto, "Weaving spiders come not here", like many institutions, describes the opposite of what actually happens there.

That's some pretty classic conspiracy theory stuff. No evidence of anything nefarious, just heavily implied.

Re:Creating apps like Signal could be 'hostile activity' cla... by KronisLV on Friday December 19, 2025 @03:00AM (#46323376)
> Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence

I feel like this needs updating, sometimes it is greed, other times it also very much is malice, sometimes making those appear as incompetence or just "complex circumstances" is beneficial.

Like how you have a culture war in the US while the rich rob you blind. How you have the "us vs them" politics while checks and balances are dismantled (including accurate reporting on science), alongside social support programs. How around 2020 companies rose prices across the board while claiming supply chain issues, just for those prices to never really come down. Same with the global DRAM manufacturing and the effects across the board on RAM, GPUs and storage - the companies just don't give a shit about consumers, they are choosing this. Also how the housing market is completely unreasonable. Same with US trying to break up EU and increasingly siding with Russia.

Sometimes there's just malice or greed, even when it's not just a small group of shady people in a dark room, but rather entire social groups whose interests and ideologies just happen to align. A lot of people aren't even trying to serve the greater society in the slightest, the prevailing attitude increasingly seems to be "fuck you, I got mine". It doesn't seem entirely new, though, since the whole millennial generation largely got saddled with that economy by those who came before, what's going on is just a bit more open now. Also using US as a good example here, but obviously similar issues are on the rise in Europe as well and elsewhere.