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Re:Pro-democracy HK tycoon Jimmy Lai convicted in national s... by rockskon on Monday December 15, 2025 @11:57AM (#46277026)
Its citizens don't share your enthusiasm.
Re:Pro-democracy HK tycoon Jimmy Lai convicted in national s... by embedding-shape on Monday December 15, 2025 @12:08PM (#46277194)
Some do, some don't. I was there recently, most of natives who I spoke to didn't really care that much, and the people who cared, was basically 50/50 between agreeing to more Chinese control vs against. Still, I'm a foreigner, so I'm likely not getting the full picture, people don't exactly go around flagging they're opposing China's crackdown, so YMMV.
Re:Pro-democracy HK tycoon Jimmy Lai convicted in national s... by stickfigure on Monday December 15, 2025 @12:13PM (#46277273)
> people don't exactly go around flagging they're opposing China's crackdown

The article is literally about what happens when you go around flagging too hard that you're opposing China's crackdown.

Re:Pro-democracy HK tycoon Jimmy Lai convicted in national s... by embedding-shape on Monday December 15, 2025 @12:15PM (#46277307)
Well, the article is literally about what happens when you're a leader of such movement, not if you're a random person on the street talking with other random people.

People are generally not super closed nor open about it, although some individuals were more closed about it. Most seemed honest when asked about it, but again, YMMV.

Re:Pro-democracy HK tycoon Jimmy Lai convicted in national s... by greenavocado on Monday December 15, 2025 @12:19PM (#46277362)
If nothing else is crystal clear since the rise of the Internet and the difficulty in censoring happenings it's that the the will of the people is utterly irrelevant in the face of organized assaults by armed thugs, wherever they may be. Most of their efforts in peace time are dedicated to putting in place barriers to movement and access to supply chain logistics by intentionally making them fragile so when push comes to shove the people can't actually push back.
Re:Pro-democracy HK tycoon Jimmy Lai convicted in national s... by derelicta on Wednesday December 17, 2025 @05:58AM (#46300530)
That's quite a defeatist analysis but I agree that online and offline organising is made increasingly harder by mass surveillance and censorship. That's also why I wish China was more interventionist abroad and would be willing to provide(more) support to international liberation movements.
Re:Pro-democracy HK tycoon Jimmy Lai convicted in national s... by lostlogin on Monday December 15, 2025 @11:59AM (#46277058)
The beatings will continue until they do.
Re:Pro-democracy HK tycoon Jimmy Lai convicted in national s... by mytailorisrich on Monday December 15, 2025 @12:07PM (#46277183)
There is a duality.

The Chinese were obviously always opposed to British imperalism and it was a major victory to finally get HK back, even acknowledged in Taiwan.

However, this does not mean that there is no domestic politics with pro and anti communist party, but daily life hasn't changed in HK except from the larger influx of "mainlanders".

The narrative on HK in the West is simplistic and, frankly a little racist. European imperialism and colonialism has long been rejected except somehow for the so great thing it did in HK, conveniently forgetting that the British never had any democracy in HK and acquired HK by pretty nasty means.

Re:Pro-democracy HK tycoon Jimmy Lai convicted in national s... by Lio on Thursday December 18, 2025 @05:25AM (#46310958)
And you're conviently forgetting that the British wanted to have full democracy in Hong Kong as they had in places like Canada, Australia and New Zealand but couldn't for fear of upsetting the balance with China.

It was the same thing with British Overseas passports. Britain wanted to issue full passports to Hong Kong citiezens but couldn't because China was heavily against it and so a compromise was sort.

Britain wouldn't make Hong Kong a full democracy and China would stick to one country two systems. That worked well until one side broke its promise.