Re:Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a ...
by hgomersall on Monday December 15, 2025 @12:16PM
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Nonsense, if we view proving as providing evidence for, then absolutely we can prove a negative. We have our priors, we accumulate evidence, we generate a posterior. At some point we are sufficiently convinced. Don't get hung up on the narrow mathematical definition of prove (c.f. the exception[al case] that proves [tests] the rule), and we're just dandy.
Re:Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a ...
by drdeca on Monday December 15, 2025 @12:50PM
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I like to think that what the “can’t prove a negative” phrase originated from was someone grasping at the difference between Pi_1 and Sigma_1 statements . For a Pi_1 statement, one needs only a single counterexample to refute it, but to verify it by considering individual cases, one has to consider all of them and show that they all work (which, if there are infinitely many, it is impossible to handle them all individually, and if there are just a lot, it may still be infeasible) . Conversely, for a Sigma_1 statement, a single example is sufficient to verify the claim, but refuting it by checking individual cases would require checking every case.
Re:Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a ...
by jjgreen on Monday December 15, 2025 @12:12PM
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You cannot prove a negative.
How about Fermat's last theorem?
Re:Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a ...
by miltonlost on Monday December 15, 2025 @12:18PM
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Mathematics and scientific proof of negatives are different kinds of proofs.
Re:Thousands of U.S. farmers have Parkinson's. They blame a ...
by JumpCrisscross on Monday December 15, 2025 @11:38AM
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> Impossible standard. You cannot prove a negative
It's also a deep incumbency advantage. Of course the guys selling the existing stuff are going to dispute the safety of a competitor.
Impossible standard. You cannot prove a negative.
But, I think it's fair to assume that any chemical that is toxic to plant or insect life is probably something you want to be careful with.