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Re:Utah Leaders Are Hindering Efforts to Develop Solar Despi... by m4ck_ on Friday December 12, 2025 @12:08PM (#46246100)
I think the only way we're going to see that happen is if first we do exactly what the right-wing hivemind truly believes to be the only solution: eliminate any and all environmental regulations. They're going to fight tooth and nail until they're made to understand that the "rivers-literally-so-polluted-they're-on-fire" era wasn't so great. So they're going to have to re-live it, the unbreatheable air in any populated area near industry; extremely loud and dirty diesel engines dumping soot everywhere, no limits on emissions from things like the paper/steel/oil industry, etc.
Re:Utah Leaders Are Hindering Efforts to Develop Solar Despi... by wormius on Friday December 12, 2025 @04:18PM (#46249085)
I have a theory about this, I gave it a name at one point but forgot what I called it.

And I think it relates to the idea in the Declaration of Independence where it says "people are disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable".

A generation experiences pain (like Cuyahoga, the river-on-fire), acid rain, ozone holes, etc... Struggle happens politically solutions help resolve some of the worst effects (if not outright), and people forget there was a problem.

"Why do we have these laws, this isn't even an issue" (this is for things that are obvious, not long term difficult to explain CO2 rise that people don't see easily (or explain away with industry provided excuses).

So we get a new generation falling for the corporate line because they don't see a problem, and ... yeah.

It doesn't even have to be a "solved" problem, just that it appears to be solved or mostly solved. Or people accept a new equilibrium, which is also the sad part.