Re:GPT-5.2
by minadotcom on Thursday December 11, 2025 @01:29PM
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They used to compare to competing models from Anthropic, Google DeepMind, DeepSeek, etc. Seems that now they only compare to their own models. Does this mean that the GPT-series is performing worse than its competitors (given the "code red" at OpenAI)?
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They did compare it to other models: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1999182104362668275
This looks cherry-picked, for example Claude Opus had a higher score on SWE-Bench Verified so they conveniently left it out, also GDPval is literally a benchmark made by OpenAI
Re:GPT-5.2
by minadotcom on Thursday December 11, 2025 @04:24PM
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agreed.
Re:GPT-5.2
by tobias2014 on Thursday December 11, 2025 @08:41PM
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And who believes that the difference between 91.9% and 92.4% is significant in these benchmarks? Clearly these have margins of error that are swept under the rug.
Re:GPT-5.2
by whimsicalism on Thursday December 11, 2025 @05:27PM
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uh oh, where did SWE bench go :D
Re:GPT-5.2
by whimsicalism on Thursday December 11, 2025 @09:11PM
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maybe they will release with gpt-5.2-codex
The fact that the post is comparing their reasoning model against gemini 3 pro (the "non reasoning" model) and not gemini 3 pro deep think (the reasoning one) is quite nasty. If you compare GPT5.2 thinking to gemini 3 pro deep think, the scores are quite similar (sometimes one is better sometimes the other one is)
Re:GPT-5.2
by tabletcorry on Thursday December 11, 2025 @01:32PM
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The matrix required for a fair comparison is getting too complicated, since you have to compare chat/thinking/pro against an array of Anthropic and Google models.
But they publish all the same numbers, so you can make the full comparison yourself, if you want to.
Re:GPT-5.2
by Workaccount2 on Thursday December 11, 2025 @03:38PM
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They are taking a page out of Apple's book.
Apple only compares to themselves. They don't even acknowledge the existence of others.
Re:GPT-5.2
by poormathskills on Thursday December 11, 2025 @01:30PM
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OpenAI has never compared their models to models from other labs in their blog post. Open literally any past model launch post to see that.
https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/
I see evaluations compared with Claude, Gemini, and Llama there on the GPT 4o post.