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Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by kubb on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @07:29PM (#46226103)
Authoritarians use social networks to undermine democratic principles so not exposing kids to that takes power away from them. Or did I misunderstand something?
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by nomel on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @07:54PM (#46226269)
Authoritarians also use state influenced media to undermine democratic principles.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by Gigachad on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @08:07PM (#46226370)
Social media is the worst state propaganda machine ever created. Destroying it would be a huge hit to authoritarians.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by DaSHacka on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:43PM (#46227400)
Bahaha right, so that way dissidents have no way of speaking out. Man, I'm sure they'd hate to see that happen.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by komali2 on Thursday December 11, 2025 @03:57AM (#46229117)
The civil rights movement was organized before social media existed.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by expedition32 on Thursday December 11, 2025 @06:53AM (#46230269)
MLK would have been banned from YouTube.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by komali2 on Thursday December 11, 2025 @11:10AM (#46233184)
Yes, absolutely, and most of the media would have portrayed him as an antifa rioter.

Maybe the civil rights movement wouldn't even be possible in this era.

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by kubb on Thursday December 11, 2025 @04:09AM (#46229202)
When did social media enable dissidents to do anything?
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by AlOwain on Thursday December 11, 2025 @05:04AM (#46229545)
The Arab Spring, the Mahsa Amini protests, the recent resurgence of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, have all been conducted primarily using social media.

This is a very narrow scale when taking the bigger picture, as these are just prominent events in Middle Eastern history since the growth of social media usage, say after 2011.

You are not even considering the travesties avoided due to social media, what regulatory action has been avoided (or taken) to avoid social media backlashes.

You are being extremely disingenuous, and you are directly attacking some peoples' only hope of minimizing repression. I urge you to reconsider your beliefs. This directly and critically affects me.

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by kubb on Thursday December 11, 2025 @10:37AM (#46232704)
I’m sorry for you and by all means, keep social media where you live. Maybe the next Arab spring will work out better than the first one and TikTok will enable that.

Where I live, we’re already free from repression and social media threatens to reintroduce it.

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by kubb on Thursday December 11, 2025 @04:10AM (#46229205)
Yeah but with social media they can also undermine them outside of their state.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by nomel on Thursday December 11, 2025 @04:17PM (#46237298)
Agreed!

I guess the question is, how should citizens communicate with each other? Who should apply the restrictions? If the authoritarian state is applying the restrictions, then it's probably for their own goals.

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by kubb on Thursday December 11, 2025 @05:23PM (#46238098)
An authoritarian state might have more legitimacy in applying the restrictions than a for profit company. Think about it.

But really, people should communicate with each other by means not including algorithmic feeds optimized for engagement. Preferably including as little emotion as possible when it comes to discussing policy.

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by nomel on Thursday December 11, 2025 @06:16PM (#46238705)
> by means not including algorithmic feeds optimized for engagement

I think that's the problem, not "social media". We're typing these comments on social media, after all.

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by api on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @07:39PM (#46226165)
My take for a while has been that authoritarian ideas (both hard right and hard left) dominate on social media because of the short form short attention span format. Authoritarianism tends to run on simple slogans, grievances, and identity politics. That stuff is very well suited to 140 characters, memes, and short videos.

Liberal ideas require more explaining and historical context, and they don’t play well when everyone has been triggered and trolled into limbic system mode by rage bait.

Liberal politics speaks to the neocortex. Authoritarianism speaks to the brain stem.

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by nxor on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @07:51PM (#46226237)
Liberals can also be authoritarian. See reddit, where ideas that don't conform are typically downvoted out. Here too.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by strbean on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @08:16PM (#46226462)
> authoritarian

>downvoted out

Erm...

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by iamtedd on Thursday December 11, 2025 @12:41AM (#46228057)
Russia has elections, where people overwhelmingly vote for Putin..
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by strbean on Wednesday December 17, 2025 @01:30PM (#46303487)
So you are alleging that Reddit manipulates vote totals to affirm their biases? There's plenty wrong with Reddit, but I haven't seen any credible evidence that this is the case.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by iamtedd on Thursday December 18, 2025 @06:45AM (#46311528)
No, I'm saying nothing of the sort. Look at the context to which i replied.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by positr0n on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @08:05PM (#46226359)
Pretty sure OP means liberal in the sense of "classical liberalism". Ideas like free market, rule of law, private property, etc.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by api on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @08:04PM (#46226345)
I’m using the word liberal to mean things like liberty, individual rights, democracy, and the rule of law. That’s why I also mentioned hard left authoritarianism.

Also there’s a world of difference between people registering dislike on an online forum and the use of state power. It seems like a lot of people these days draw no distinction between removal from a private space or even people just showing disapproval and actual state force.

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by docmars on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:44PM (#46227405)
This doesn't surprise me much; social networks have worked in tandem with governments, allowing them to call the shots to remove any content that opposed their political agendas, narratives, and opinions, to the extent that facts were flat-out censored to paint certain political opponents in a bad light, or worse, create potential legal issues.

It created a world where: when disapproval inside an echo-chamber fails to a critical mass of people telling the truth, just pretend the content doesn't exist and then gaslight people using official media outlets, including Congress and the White House.

So it gave people the impression there's no difference between the two. Not only were disapproval and state force in agreement, they colluded.

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by mason_mpls on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @08:25PM (#46226528)
You’re confusing democracy with tyranny.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by exoverito on Thursday December 11, 2025 @09:39AM (#46231925)
You're assuming mutual exclusion. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by mason_mpls on Friday December 12, 2025 @12:04AM (#46241031)
we’re people, not fairytale beasts
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by tired-turtle on Thursday December 11, 2025 @12:47AM (#46228096)
While your point (about the potential for liberal authoritarianism) is true, reddit is an example of partisan, not authoritarian, behavior.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by bamboozled on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:47PM (#46227782)
My take for a while has been that authoritarian ideas

That's odd because I don't see a lot of that. Care to elaborate?

Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by eimrine on Thursday December 11, 2025 @12:31AM (#46228002)
In what country do you need to be shown some of that?
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by bamboozled on Thursday December 11, 2025 @07:06AM (#46230372)
Australia
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by dizlexic on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:06PM (#46227187)
Authoritarians use power. That’s why consolidation of power is bad. Government is historically the most dangerous place to centralize power.
Re:Australia's social media ban for children takes effect in... by hsuduebc2 on Thursday December 11, 2025 @06:00AM (#46229909)
It seems to me that this is much bigger problem for vulnerable or stupid adults. You can be naive when you are young but you can change.

I would say that much bigger problem is possibly the influence of these sites on development of young people. We know it's addictive, we know it's harmful. Cigarettes and alcohol are banned for the same reason so I'm kinda glad for this Australian experiment. We'll see.