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Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by nish__ on Thursday December 04, 2025 @02:46PM (#46151967)
Machines are less than 400 million.
Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by q3k on Thursday December 04, 2025 @04:01PM (#46153011)
You're just talking about a lithography machine. Patterning is one step out of thousands in a modern process (albeit an important one). There's plenty more stuff needed for a production line, this isn't a 3D printer but for chips. And that's just for the FEOL stuff, then you still need to do BEOL :). And packaging. And testing (accelerated/environmental, too). And failure analysis. And...

Also, you know, there's a whole process you'll need to develop. So prepare to be not making money (but spending tons of it on running the lines) until you have a well tested PDK.

Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by baq on Thursday December 04, 2025 @04:21PM (#46153258)
> 3D printer but for chips

how about a farm of electron microscopes? these should work

Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by vel0city on Thursday December 04, 2025 @04:38PM (#46153443)
Canon has been working on an alternative to EUV lithography called nanoimprint lithography. It would be a bit closer to the idea of having an inkjet printer make the masks to etch the wafers. It hasn't been proven in scale and there's a lot of thinking this won't really be useful, but it's neat to see and maybe the detractors are wrong.

https://global.canon/en/technology/nil-2023.html

https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/p/nanoimprint-lithograph...

They'll still probably require a good bit of operator and designer knowledge to work around whatever rough edges exist in the technology to keep yields high, assuming it works. It's still not a "plug it in, feed it blank wafers, press PRINT, and out comes finished chips!" kind of machine some here seem to think exist.

Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by pixl97 on Thursday December 04, 2025 @02:54PM (#46152091)
And the cost of the people to run those machines, and the factories that are required to run the machines?
Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by nish__ on Thursday December 04, 2025 @03:18PM (#46152435)
I'll do it for free. And I'm sure we could rent a facility.
Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by bhhaskin on Thursday December 04, 2025 @06:09PM (#46154501)
I think you are vastly underestimating how a modern fab works. The average cost is 10 billion and takes a about 10 years to build. They are very complex and even the slightest issue can ruin yields. There is a reason why there are so few.
Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by nish__ on Thursday December 04, 2025 @06:27PM (#46154716)
Yeah you're right. I was way off.
Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by acksponies on Saturday December 06, 2025 @07:26PM (#46178036)
Why is your bitcoin donation still active then?
Re:The RAM shortage comes for us all by waynesonfire on Thursday December 04, 2025 @03:14PM (#46152372)
Dont forget RAM.