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Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by sdeframond on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @05:44AM (#46132934)
I share your feeling. However

> pay whatever the market rate

would only work if there is a market. And infrastructures like roads are a natural monopoly[0], so there could be no market.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly

Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by dbdr on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @06:03AM (#46133050)
I don't think the idea is to have a market of roads to chose from. It is to make the existing car market more efficient by fixing the externality of other people paying for the damage you do to the roads by your choice of (heavy) vehicule.
Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by citrin_ru on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @06:15AM (#46133150)
Heavy semi-trailer trucks disproportionally damage the roads, if they'll pay a fair share groceries could become unaffordable.
Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by phantasmish on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @08:09AM (#46134074)
Unaffordable?

What’s the total cost of all road maintenance vs amount spent on groceries? How about vs all groceries plus all home goods?

Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by citrin_ru on Friday December 05, 2025 @04:16AM (#46158723)
OK, unaffordable is overstatement but increase in transportation costs will translate to some increase in prices and given that food is already around 25% higher (with some items 50% higher) than before COVID this increase will not be welcomed.
Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by ninalanyon on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @06:56AM (#46133480)
Then switch to subsidizing groceries instead of the the delivery method.
Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by trollbridge on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @07:49AM (#46133888)
Virtually everything is delivered by freight and freight is responsible for almost all road wear and tear.

You would have to basically subsidise everything.

Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by fourgreen on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @11:08AM (#46136136)
Is it true? We, the people, currently pay for roads, we would pay for them in the alternative system - so the total amount of the money we need to pay would not change, only some prices (or taxes) would go down and others would go up. Either we care about having food and we would pay high prices for them (with money we saved elsewhere) or we don't care and we wouldn't pay.
Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by chriswarbo on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @03:01PM (#46139276)
> Heavy semi-trailer trucks disproportionally damage the roads

Which is another reason why freight should be delivered by rail. Yet haulage companies have no incentive to maintain an efficient rail network, when they could exploit a subsidised road network instead.

Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by hopelite on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @07:12AM (#46133607)
Even though it may change with technological developments, are you aware that EVs are the heaviest vehicles on the market, by somewhere around 140% the weight of ICE vehicle equivalents?
Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by dzhiurgis on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @09:58PM (#46143300)
Model 3 is lighter than BMW 3 series ICE.
Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by mothballed on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @05:49AM (#46132959)
That's weird because there's no public road near me for miles and I can get 90% of the way to "town" without them.

I've also connected my private roads to a couple other private roads so no one has a monopoly on my way to town.

As for the "barriers to entry" mentioned in that article, is absolutely wild. My road and most the ones in our grid network were made with little more than a dude and a tractor (I think you can get suitable one for $10k off craigslist). I initially made mine with an axe, a light truck, and a rope (to rip out small trees) and there's nothing stopping anyone adjacent from doing the same if I'd block the road.

Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by dmurray on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @06:02AM (#46133048)
Do you understand why this isn't a workable solution for everyone, and likely not even for the last 10% of your journey?
Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by mothballed on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @06:04AM (#46133053)
It would work beautifully for the last 10% of my journey. The only reason why there are no private roads for the las 10% is the county tax funds that road, and only a complete and utter moron would build a road when their "competitor" has a price of zero at the point of use. People commonly ask why the public road has a monopoly; it's not that they are a natural monopoly but rather that it's literally impossible to compete with someone with zero costs (tax costs already sunk) so places with public roads have ~no competition.

The second that road gets defunded by the public coffers, guy with tractor would show back up.

Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by trollbridge on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @07:53AM (#46133913)
Private roads are actually pretty common, found in older suburban development and in rural areas. I live off of one that is about 300m long.

They are unpopular since they effectively require a very small private association to maintain them. They really hurt property values (one reason I bought my place at a bargain price). Most jurisdictions try to prevent creating them because they lead to disputes between neighbours, or poorly maintained private roads become a problem when an emergency vehicle needs to get down one.

The budget for local roads is also quite small, since they don’t carry much truck traffic. My township of 5,000 people or so has 3 part time guys who maintain the roads and a few pickup trucks and a dump truck for hauling the asphalt. That’s it.

The most expensive part of road maintenance is replacing bridges.

Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by sdeframond on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @02:48PM (#46139096)
How would you charge for road usage? Would there be a toll at the limit of every property ? How would it be operated ?