Accepting US car standards would risk European lives

Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by jgilias on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @04:12AM (#46132156)

It’s not about champagne. It’s about us not making anything like the Patriot air defense system. Or us not having the capabilities to command our disparate militaries cohesively without US involvement in NATO. The whole Western order has been built on the premise of US being the corner stone that ties everything together.

Thank God the French have always been suspicious about it since the Suez crisis, hence we _do_ have at least some independent capabilities.

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Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by gizmo on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @05:51AM (#46132970)

For those who don't know, the French (and British) instigated the Suez crisis. It was a highly illegal attempt at regime change in Egypt and the US along with the USSR and United Nations rightfully pressured the French to stop. Bizarre example to illustrate the need for military independence.

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Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @06:37AM (#46133320)

This is entirely true, but it's still good that as a result of this, the French prioritised independent defence policies for the last 60+ years.

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Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by Sammi on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @06:41AM (#46133354)

Unfortunately your assessment is based on the faulty premise that anyone in international politics does anything to be nice.

The US doesn't give one rats ass about Egypt. The US won and got their way in Suez and the international seas in general. Europe lost.

There is no right in geo politics - only might. It's completely machiavellian. This is because you don't get to elect your neighbors leaders, and so they aren't beholden to you. International politics fundamentally doesn't work like national politics because of this. You can't stop Putin, Trump, or Xi, from taking what is yours unless you have the steel and oil to stop them. You can't sue them or vote them out like in national politics.

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Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by gizmo on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @07:36AM (#46133795)

The problem with your perspective is that citizens can still tell right from wrong. And the public is much less Machiavellian than those in charge. The people can change how their leaders act, but won't when they believe any attempt to steer towards pro-social geopolitics is pointless.

I should also point out that some countries are much more bellicose than others, in direct contradiction with your nihilist view.

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Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by Sammi on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:24AM (#46135542)

I absolutely do not encourage anything bellicose. I'm saying you are not good for not defending yourself. Everyone needs to defend their access through the Suez.

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Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by jgilias on Thursday December 04, 2025 @12:16AM (#46144040)

It’s not an example, it’s a timeline.

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Re:Accepting US car standards would risk European lives by mambru on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @06:07AM (#46133078)

SAMP/T is quite good.

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