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Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by LaGrange on Thursday November 27, 2025 @11:10AM (#46070575)
I hate when people hijack progressive language - like in your case the language of accessibility - for cheap marketing and hype.

Writing is one of the most accessible forms of expression. We were living in a world where even publishing was as easy as imaginable - sure, not actually selling/profiting, but here’s a secret, even most bestselling authors have either at least one other job, or intense support from their close social circle.

What you do to write good is you start by writing bad. And you do it for ages. LLMs not only don’t help here, they ruin it. And they don’t help people write because they’re still not writing. It just derails people who might, otherwise, maybe start actually writing.

Framing your expensive toy that ruins everything as an accessibility device is absurd.

Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by CityOfThrowaway on Thursday November 27, 2025 @11:31AM (#46070804)
I'm anon, but also the farthest thing from a progressive, so I find this post amusing.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying but I also have a different frame.

Even if we take your claim that LLMs don't make people better writers as true (which I think there's plenty to argue with), that's not the point at all.

What I'm saying is people are communicating better. For most ideas, writing is just a transport vessel for ideas. And people now have tools to communicate better than they would have been.

Most people aren't trying to become good writers. That's true before, and true now.

On the other hand, this argument probably isn't worth having. If your frame is that LLMs are expensive toys that ruin everything -- well, that's quite an aggressive posture to start with and is both unlikely to bear a useful conversation or a particularly delightful future for you.

Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by LaGrange on Thursday November 27, 2025 @11:41AM (#46070902)
> I'm anon, but also the farthest thing from a progressive, so I find this post amusing.

Oh I know. I called it hijacking because the result is as progressive as a national socialist is a socialist.

> What I'm saying is people are communicating better.

Actually they’re no longer communicating at all.

Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by encyclopedism on Thursday November 27, 2025 @01:24PM (#46071871)
> What I'm saying is people are communicating better. For most ideas, writing is just a transport vessel for ideas. And people now have tools to communicate better than they would have been.

You would have to define 'better'.

Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by the_snooze on Thursday November 27, 2025 @11:20AM (#46070682)
It basically boils down to "I want the external validation of being seen as a good writer, without any of the internal growth and struggle needed to get there."
Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by LaGrange on Thursday November 27, 2025 @11:24AM (#46070729)
I mean, kinda, but also: not only are someone’s meandering ramblings a part of a process that leads to less meandering ramblings, they’re also infinitely more interesting than LLM slop.
Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by BoredomIsFun on Thursday November 27, 2025 @12:26PM (#46071354)
> "struggle needed to get there."

"Struggle" argument is from gatekeepers and for masochists. Thank you very much.

Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by ashton314 on Friday November 28, 2025 @10:34AM (#46079516)
Life is pain! Anyone who says otherwise is selling something. —The Dread Pirate Roberts

Everyone who’s produced something good, beautiful, or valuable has had to struggle. That’s just the way work works.

Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by BoredomIsFun on Monday December 01, 2025 @06:19AM (#46106082)
> The Dread Pirate Roberts

Okay, who is the next one to cite? Marquis de Carabas?

> Everyone who’s produced something good, beautiful, or valuable has had to struggle. That’s just the way work works.

It is simply not true.

Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by cinntaile on Thursday November 27, 2025 @11:22AM (#46070703)
It's probably true that it reduces the barrier to entry, you don't refute that point in your post. You just call it cheap marketing and hype.
Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by SoftTalker on Thursday November 27, 2025 @11:38AM (#46070873)
Barriers to entry can be a good thing. It’s a filter for low effort content.
Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by LaGrange on Thursday November 27, 2025 @11:39AM (#46070878)
It doesn’t. You’re not entering anything with an LLM.
Re:We're Losing Our Voice to LLMs by cinntaile on Saturday November 29, 2025 @04:34AM (#46086266)
Of course you are. As the original poster mentioned, it allows lousy writers to get their ideas out in the world. Shitty writing is much more likely to be ignored than LLM writing.