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Re:Drupal's Golden Handcuffs by dasil003 on Tuesday October 02, 2012 @08:02PM (#4605077)
This doesn't make sense to me either, though I haven't touched Drupal for at least 6 years.

In my experience, Drupal is ideal for cheap clients who want a zillion features but don't have the budget. You can deliver more functionality in Drupal than anything else, that is absolutely true.

For high-end clients who are willing to pay for impeccable UX and solid problem-solving, I can rarely recommend Drupal because it starts with a raft of assumptions that tend to lead to subtle compromises in the UX but would require an inordinate amount of effort to fix.

I ditched Drupal for Rails specifically because I hate being in the position where I have to explain why a seemingly simple change would require far more work than logically makes sense (to be fair, this is an occupational hazard of programming, but with Drupal it happens to an obscene degree). Going to Rails felt like targetting a higher class of client.

Meanwhile Rails developers seem like some of the most sought after programmers today. Where is this elite Drupal employment world that the OA speaks of?

Re:Drupal's Golden Handcuffs by juan_juarez on Tuesday October 02, 2012 @08:23PM (#4605141)
> In my experience, Drupal is ideal for cheap clients who want a zillion features but don't have the budget.

IE - customers you don't really want to be stuck with in the first place.

Re:Drupal's Golden Handcuffs by kalms on Wednesday October 03, 2012 @04:52AM (#4606488)
> Where is this elite Drupal employment world that the OA speaks of?

Drupal is fairly big here in Scandinavia, and it's my distinct impression that it's the same story all over Europe. It has a strong footing within online media that seems to grow every day.

I suspect that if I moved to another country, or even abroad, I wouldn't have much difficulty finding a different (high paying) job related to Drupal.

Also, if you're US based and like great community oriented dev houses: www.acquia.com, www.lullabot.com or www.palantir.net.

Re:Drupal's Golden Handcuffs by mechanical_fish on Wednesday October 03, 2012 @03:29AM (#4606277)
Where is this elite Drupal employment world that the OA speaks of?

http://www.acquia.com/customers

Just one subset, of course. Doesn't include customers of other major vendors.

Re:Drupal's Golden Handcuffs by debaserab2 on Wednesday October 03, 2012 @02:41PM (#4608967)
Digital/marketing agencies absolutely eat this shit up. I'm not sure what you consider to be a high budget, but it usually seems to be in the $80-$200k sweet spot where the agency wants to use Drupal so they can cut down on hours and still retain a lot of features.

Of course, they also want superb design and UX so things usually end up going over budget as we have to hack the hell out of Drupal to match the level of UX desired. Every single Drupal project I've worked on I've wished I could be using a real framework and code from scratch instead.

Unfortunately I don't see the perception of digital agency project managers changing much. They still think they can get the best of both worlds.

Re:Drupal's Golden Handcuffs by w4y2 on Tuesday October 02, 2012 @09:03PM (#4605255)
It appears you don't really understand the Drupal theming layer.
Re:Drupal's Golden Handcuffs by dasil003 on Wednesday October 03, 2012 @06:48AM (#4606766)
You created a new account just to post this ignorant snark?

My Drupal knowledge is well out of date, but the indisputable fact that the Drupal architecture like all software architecture imposes assumptions, many many more assumptions than a low-level framework like Rails (which tries to keep its assumptions as broadly applicable to all HTTP usage as possible). These assumptions imply tradeoffs. If you think there are no tradeoffs you need to step back and realize that Drupal has corrupted your mind and the limits of your web development ability will be constrained by whatever ideas Drupal core is able to harvest and integrate from the wider world of web development.