The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your data

Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by lazide on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:14AM (#46046491)

Yes, and? HDD controllers dying and head crashes are a thing too.

At least in the ‘bricked’ case it’s a trivial RMA - corrupt blocks tend to be a harder fight. And since ‘bricked’ is such a trivial RMA, manufacturers have more of an incentive to fix it or go broke, or avoid it in the first place.

This is why backups are important now; and always have been.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by mort96 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @12:26PM (#46048171)

We're not talking about the SSD controller dying. The SSD controller in the hypothetical situation that's being described is working as intended.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by lazide on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @07:58AM (#46056956)

Not as far as I can tell, where intended is ‘as any user would reasonably expect’. Bricking the drive (can’t even read) because of too many errors is not what most users would ever want.

Some would (enterprise maybe), but even then they’d want deterministic data deletes too, which doesn’t sound like are happening.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by mort96 on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @01:18PM (#46060640)

You can argue that controllers shouldn't behave that way. But they do, it's not a bug, and it's not a dead controller. It's a perfectly functional controller's response to dead blocks.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by lazide on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @04:47PM (#46062722)

Cite? By definition it appears to not meet the definition of ‘functional’.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by coldtea on Thursday November 27, 2025 @03:20AM (#46066998)

The definition of functional in the context of the discussion is that in works in the way the manufacture explicitly designed it work, in a standard industry practice fashion, not as an unforeseen bug or malfunction.

Not some abstract notion.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by lazide on Thursday November 27, 2025 @08:33AM (#46069085)

So not enumerating as a drive, and not allowing you to read even valid blocks is ‘working’?

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by coldtea on Thursday November 27, 2025 @06:41PM (#46074178)

Yes, same as a facility self-destructing, if it was programmed to do so, is working as per its spec.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by lazide on Friday November 28, 2025 @07:00AM (#46077883)

And what spec requires that? I have yet to see one.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by coldtea on Friday November 28, 2025 @11:22AM (#46080009)

The manufacturers'.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by lazide on Saturday November 29, 2025 @07:51PM (#46092402)

Cite? I have yet to see that actually documented anywhere, and you keep avoiding actually referring to one either.

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by asdefghyk on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @03:35PM (#46062019)

RE "....This is why backups are important now; and always have been..."

Still a big problem if backup is to the "..same technology..."

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Re:The unpowered SSDs in your drawer are slowly losing your ... by lazide on Thursday November 27, 2025 @08:34AM (#46069088)

That’s why 3-2-1 is not just a good idea.

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