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Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by elteto on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @09:57AM (#46046313)
Maybe they are just really tired of having to deal with people who constantly object and throw every possible obstacle they can on the way.
Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by bakugo on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:04AM (#46046384)
Maybe they wouldn't experience so much pushback if they were more humble, had more respect for established software and practices, and were more open to discussion.

You can't go around screaming "your code SUCKS and you need to rewrite it my way NOW" at everyone all the time and expect people to not react negatively.

Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by anarki8 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:28AM (#46046684)
> You can't go around screaming "your code SUCKS and you need to rewrite it my way NOW"

It seems you are imagining things and hate people for the things you imagined.

In reality there are situations where during technical discussions some people stand up and with trembling voice start derailing these technical discussions with "arguments" like "you are trying to convince everyone to switch over to the religion". https://youtu.be/WiPp9YEBV0Q?t=1529

Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by simonask on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:12AM (#46046467)
That’s also not something anybody has actually said.
Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by lkjdsklf on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:21AM (#46046585)
While no one has explicitly said that, it is the implied justification of rewriting so much stuff in rust
Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by simonask on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:31AM (#46046726)
I disagree very strongly that a suggestion to change something is also a personal attack on the author of the original code. That’s not a professional or constructive attitude.
Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by bakugo on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:20AM (#46046579)
Are you serious? It's basically impossible to discuss C/C++ anymore without someone bringing up Rust.

If you search for HN posts with C++ in the title from the last year, the top post is about how C++ sucks and Rust is better. The fourth result is a post titled "C++ is an absolute blast" and the comments contain 128 (one hundred and twenty eight) mentions of the word "Rust". It's ridiculous.

Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by simonask on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:33AM (#46046747)
Lots of current and former C++ developers are excited about Rust, so it’s natural that it comes up in similar conversations. But bringing up Rust in any conversation still does not amount to a personal attack, and I would encourage some reflection here if that is your first reaction.
Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by woodruffw on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:15AM (#46046515)
To be clear, the "you" and "my" in your sentence refer to the same person. Julian appears to be the APT maintainer, so there's no compulsion except what he applies to himself.

(Maybe you mean this in some general sense, but the actual situation at hand doesn't remotely resemble a hostile unaffiliated demand against a project.)

Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:55AM (#46047024)
> Julian appears to be the APT maintainer, so there's no compulsion except what he applies to himself.

To who is this addressed?

> If you maintain a port without a working Rust toolchain, please ensure it has one within the next 6 months, or sunset the port.

Because that sure reads as a compulsion to me.

Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by lagniappe on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:08AM (#46046416)
The endless crusades are indeed tiresome.
Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by bryanlarsen on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:15AM (#46046502)
Yes, the immediate and endless backlash we get whenever anybody says the word "Rust" is quite tiresome.
Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by lagniappe on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @07:45PM (#46052748)
Ah yes, the signature snark from the Rust community. This is the type of thing that repels people.
Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by bryanlarsen on Wednesday November 26, 2025 @10:15AM (#46058157)
Most of the repelling is happening on the anti-Rust side. The hate and vitriol has chased away Wedson Almeida Filho, Alex Gaynor, Hector Martin and Christoph Hellwig from the Rust in Linux project.

And it's happening here too. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46048336 makes clear that most of the commentary here is just plain wrong, yet it's not upvoted to top.

Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by lagniappe on Thursday November 27, 2025 @08:48AM (#46069196)
And for each of those names there are 100 rust zealots tainting their legacy with their behavior.
Re:Apt Rust requirement raises questions by donkeybeer on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @10:00AM (#46046349)
No, honestly Rust has just really crappy attitude and culture. Even as a person who should naturally like Rust and I do plan to learn it despite that I find these people really grating.