Re:Verifying your Matrix devices is becoming mandatory
by ranger_danger on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @08:13PM
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Isn't this how TLS itself already works? "trust on first use"?
Re:Verifying your Matrix devices is becoming mandatory
by treyd on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @08:26PM
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With PKI you're trusting a certificate chain up to a CA you already trust, by way of your OS or browser vendor.
A domain can layer on HSTS to that, which directs clients to additionally refuse to trust a new cert for a domain until the one you currently trust has expired.
Re:Verifying your Matrix devices is becoming mandatory
by scheub on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @10:20PM
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That’s not what HSTS does. It asks the client to remember that you want to only use TLS for that domain and refuse to use unencrypted HTTP in the future.
Re:Verifying your Matrix devices is becoming mandatory
by pavon on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @08:28PM
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Not in current practice. That is why you have to get a certificate from a trusted CA. If your CA isn't in the browser's cert database they will reject the connection even on the first time. If browsers allowed TOFU we would still be able to use self-issued certificates, without manually distributing certs to anyone that uses your service.
SSH is an example of TOFU.
Re:Verifying your Matrix devices is becoming mandatory
by majorchord on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @10:18PM
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> we would still be able to use self-issued certificates
You still can... it just displays a warning message on first use, as does ssh.
Re:Verifying your Matrix devices is becoming mandatory
by syntheticnature on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @09:16PM
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It is not; I know we don't read articles here, but...
If this is that case what will happen is that people will start verifying everyone (because they might want to text to strangers that they can't bother verifying because the stakes are so low) and so verification will lose all meaning.