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Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by thefourthchime on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @11:28AM (#45968391)
I like to ask "Make a pacman game in a single html page". No model has ever gotten a decent game in one shot. My attempt with Gemini3 was no better than 2.5.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by ofa0e on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @11:36AM (#45968527)
Your benchmarks should not involve IP.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by sowbug on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @12:13PM (#45969103)
The only intellectual property here would be trademark. No copyright, no patent, no trade secret. Unless someone wants to market the test results as a genuine Pac-Man-branded product, or otherwise dilute that brand, there's nothing should-y about it.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by bongodongobob on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @01:55PM (#45970396)
It's not an ethics thing. It's a guardrails thing.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by sowbug on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @02:37PM (#45970959)
That's a valid point, though an average LLM would certainly understand the difference between trademark and other forms of IP. I was responding to the earlier comment, whose author later clarified that it represented an ethical stance ("stealing the hard work of some honest, human souls").
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by ComplexSystems on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @11:42AM (#45968625)
Why? This seems like a reasonable task to benchmark on.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by adastra22 on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @11:54AM (#45968821)
Because you hit guard rails.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by ofa0e on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @11:54AM (#45968828)
Sure, reasonable to benchmark on if your goal is to find out which companies are the best at stealing the hard work of some honest, human souls.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by scragz on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @12:03PM (#45968958)
correction: pacman is not a human and has no soul.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by WhyOhWhyQ on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @08:13PM (#45974647)
Why do you have to willfully misinterpret the person you're replying to? There's truth in their comment.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by tomalbrc on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @02:17PM (#45970684)
tech bros hate reality
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by Workaccount2 on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @01:27PM (#45970077)
It made a working game for me (with a slightly expanded prompt), but the ghosts got trapped in the box after coming back from getting killed. A second prompt fixed it. The art and animation however was really impressive.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by bitexploder on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @02:10PM (#45970581)
Something else to consider. I often have much better success with something like: Create a prompt that creates a specification for a pacman game in a single html page. Consider edge cases and key implementation details that result in bugs. <take prompt>, execute prompt. It will often yield a much better result than one generic prompt. Now that models are trained on how to generate prompts for themselves this is quite productive. You can also ask it to implement everything in stages and implement tests, and even evaluate its tests! I know that isn't quite the same as "Implement pacman on an HTML page" but still, with very minimal human effort you can get the intended result.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by amelius on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @03:28PM (#45971594)
I thought this kind of chaining was already part of these systems.
Re:Gemini 3 Pro Preview Live in AI Studio by bitexploder on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @12:46PM (#45982441)
It can be, but the more specific context you can give the better, especially on your initial prompting. If it is opaque to you who knows what it is doing. Dialing in the initial spec/prompt for 5 minutes is still important. Different LLMs and models will do better or worse on this and by being a human in the loop on this initial stuff my experience is much higher quality, which indicates to me, the LLM tries, but just doesn't always have enough info to implement your intentions in many cases yet.