Re:Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses
by HumanOstrich on Monday November 17, 2025 @06:43PM
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Sounds overly complex and completely unnecessary, like some kind of blockchain/defi scheme shoehorned onto distributed builds.
Re:Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses
by charcircuit on Monday November 17, 2025 @05:37PM
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>It'd just have to be more annoying to breach the distributed build infrastructure than to plant a malicious developer.
It really wouldn't. You don't even need a powerful build server since you can mirror whatever someone else built. You can also buy / hack nodes of existing trusted people.
Re:Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses
by smt88 on Monday November 17, 2025 @05:29PM
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The distribution system you're describing exists and has been in use for decades. You just distribute the build using bittorrent.
Re:Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses
by cluckindan on Monday November 17, 2025 @06:18PM
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And if someone invests in having >90% of the peers offer a malicious file and serve DHTs matching that file?
Re:Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses
by smt88 on Monday November 17, 2025 @08:16PM
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Torrent files are hashed, so it's exactly the same risk profile as the comment I was referring to. But generally hashing algorithms are collision-proof enough that what you're describing is basically impossible (requiring many years of compute time).
Re:Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses
by pabs3 on Monday November 17, 2025 @09:09PM
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IIRC BitTorrent still uses SHA-1, which is becoming more problematic.
Re:Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses
by vhcr on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @05:00AM
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BitTorrent v2 uses SHA-256, but in any case SHA-1 is still second-preimage resistant. And the BitTorrent piece hashes are included in the .torrent file, so you would need to find a double collision.
Re:Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses
by nunez on Monday November 17, 2025 @08:56PM
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> Try building some common pieces of software in a network isolated environment and you will likely be surprised at how poorly it goes.
I have yet to experience a straight shot install or build of anything in an air gapped environment. Always need to hack things to make it work.
I do see the Tor-Issue - a botnet or a well-supplied malicious actor could just flood it. And if you flip it - if you'd need agreement about the build output, it could also be poisoned with enough nodes to prevent releases for a critical security issue. I agree, I don't solve all supply chain issues in one comment :)
But that in turn could be helped with reputation. Maybe a node needs to supply 6 months of perfect builds - for testing as well - to become eligible. Which would be defeated by patience, but what isn't? It'd just have to be more annoying to breach the distributed build infrastructure than to plant a malicious developer.
This combination of reproducible, deterministic builds, tests across a number of probably-trustworthy sources is quite interesting, as it allows very heavy decentralization. I could just run an old laptop or two here to support. And then come compromise hundreds of these all across the world.