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Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by cyberax on Thursday November 13, 2025 @12:56AM (#45911241)
A beautiful illustration of why solar power is a no-brainer for California or Arizona, but is a doubtful proposition for Germany.
Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by tzs on Thursday November 13, 2025 @01:45AM (#45911537)
Solar power is not a doubtful proposition for Germany [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Germany

Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by t_tsonev on Thursday November 13, 2025 @02:41AM (#45911920)
You need a Solar Radiance map to say thay. Latitude is a factor, but so is climate.

Here's an example: https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/

California and Arizona are comparable to Sahara, but Germany has much usable potential too.

Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by modo_mario on Thursday November 13, 2025 @04:12AM (#45912620)
The issue is that in winter in the likes of berlin when the need for power is highest you might as well not have them.
Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by actionfromafar on Thursday November 13, 2025 @04:46AM (#45912843)
The issue is that as solar panels become cheaper than dirt, we will find ways to use them which are not "base load" things. Maybe we in the future will factor in the annual Solar Harvest into our energy plans.
Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by modo_mario on Thursday November 13, 2025 @08:18AM (#45914566)
>we will find ways to use them which are not "base load" things

If you build solar for much of base load there for those clouded winter weeks where you won't even hope to reach the average winter output then i'm curious what those applications will be that'll fit the model of capitalism.

Are you gonna overbuild 20fold with matching grid (not talking about that north-south connection that Germany can't seem to manage) and have metalurgy industries that will only run in summer?

Or are you going to build/maintain gas plants at a fraction of the cost even if solar panels end up dirt cheap for those weeks where people still want to run their industries and heatpumps and continue to add to the problem.

Looking at my own gov and what i expect from the german one I think I know the answers.

Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by actionfromafar on Thursday November 13, 2025 @04:29PM (#45920835)
I don't know - I believe panels will be dirt cheap and I wonder what will happen. Something interesting will happen, economy abhors a vacuum.
Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by 2000UltraDeluxe on Friday November 14, 2025 @05:27AM (#45925622)
Until that happens, I think we should assume that solar only isn't a viable option. At the moment Finland would need 60x more solar to cover current needs (during daytime), and it's barely winter yet. Sure, you'd get away with 20x in Germany but remember we _all_ need to scale up for actual winters where you can't just say "whoops" if things don't go to plan.
Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by smallmouth on Thursday November 13, 2025 @09:49AM (#45915521)
I've always wondered what type of volume will be needed world-wide in landfills to house all the discarded solar panels.
Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by actionfromafar on Thursday November 13, 2025 @04:28PM (#45920807)
Probably less than all the fly-ash from coal.
Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by amanaplanacanal on Thursday November 13, 2025 @06:39AM (#45913719)
Storage exists, and will continue to get cheaper.
Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by modo_mario on Thursday November 13, 2025 @08:10AM (#45914492)
The storage that's getting cheaper that you're talking about isn't seasonal.
Re:Comparing the Latitude of Europe and America by CiaranMcNulty on Thursday November 13, 2025 @02:58AM (#45912071)
Domestic solar is huge in Germany