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Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by edoceo on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @09:03PM (#45909575)
It's a device you own, sure. But you've licensed the software.
Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by EMIRELADERO on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @09:24PM (#45909730)
This is misleading though. There is simply no other choice if you want to use mainstream apps. It could be argued (successfully in my view) that any agreement is null and void due to its acceptance under duress.

Users have an inherent legal right to unconditionally access the full advertised functionality of devices they purchase. Any agreement after that is inherently suspect and I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was ruled unconscionable by some court if it came to that.

Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by makeitdouble on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @11:38PM (#45910686)
> This is misleading though.

This isn't misleading in any way. It's unfortunate and we should be pissed about it, but this is exactly the legal arrangement that Google and Apple came up with.

> I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was ruled unconscionable by some court

Last US court battle, Apple told the court it needed the money from the kids casino to keep its profits, and the court just nodded.

Apple had to be held in comptempt of a court order after 4 years and a deluge of evidence, for us to see any significant move.

Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by edoceo on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @11:19PM (#45910579)
I agree it's not awesome, or even good. Unfortunately, it's what we've got today. A fact HN seems to dislike.
Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by makeitdouble on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @11:34PM (#45910658)
Let's not shoot the messenger (edoceo)

Too many people are in denial about what they actually own, and seem to refuse to accept this battle isn't starting or coming up, we're already in the process of losing it.

Clinging to material ownership feels great on the moment, but that's absolutely not what we need to deal with right now. It's kinda like being so proud to be the registered owner of your car, while it's getting impounded and you'll be spending the next 10 years trying to get it back.

Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by devsda on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @10:02PM (#45910013)
If there is an alternative software that can run on the device without going through extraordinary hoops, I may agree that it is licensed.

If there is no other alternative, buying hardware and licensing software are not two different steps. Its just buying a device.

Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by flagos10 on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @09:16PM (#45909657)
We need a free-as-in-freedom version of Android.
Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by wmf on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @09:20PM (#45909690)
GrapheneOS
Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by tcfhgj on Thursday November 13, 2025 @03:04AM (#45912104)
Google is suppressing freedom.

"Go, give money to Google, to reclaim freedom"

Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by rcMgD2BwE72F on Thursday November 13, 2025 @06:13AM (#45913526)
What's Google profit/margin on Pixel phones nowadays (hardware only)?
Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by a96 on Thursday November 13, 2025 @06:19AM (#45913568)
GrapheneOS is also in danger.
Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by jhasse on Thursday November 13, 2025 @10:16AM (#45915858)
Already exists. LineageOS, /e/OS, GrapheneOS, to name a few.
Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by Ajedi32 on Thursday November 13, 2025 @12:20AM (#45911016)
Which is an unacceptable loophole in our legal system that should be closed immediately as far as I'm concerned. If I buy a product, even if that product is software, then I own it, and I should have ultimate control my copy of it.

The idea that we allow companies to go "Yes, you paid for this product, but it's not really yours. We still control it and can do whatever we want with it regardless of what you want." is asinine.

Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by huem0n on Thursday November 13, 2025 @09:04AM (#45915006)
Then let me put my own software on the hardware I own then.
Re:Google will allow users to sideload Android apps without ... by jhasse on Thursday November 13, 2025 @10:14AM (#45915843)
Well you can. But then it has to be completely your own software (i.e. OS).