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Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by jojobas on Sunday November 09, 2025 @10:39PM (#45872145)
>I don't know any Europeans who'd prefer to have American healthcare.

Some 50-100k Europeans fly to the US to get American healthcare every year.

Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by lionkor on Monday November 10, 2025 @01:49AM (#45873134)
I couldn't find a source for this with a quick couple of searches, could you provide one?
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by csande17 on Monday November 10, 2025 @02:23AM (#45873327)
I'm not GP, but https://www.trade.gov/survey-international-air-travelers-sia... suggests that in 2024 about 0.4% of European travellers to the US told the government they were coming to receive medical treatment, and https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/december-and-annual-20... says about 13 million people from Western Europe visited the US in 2024, and if you multiply those numbers you get 50k.
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by theturtle32 on Monday November 10, 2025 @01:51AM (#45873144)
That isn’t the flex you think it is lol
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by saghm on Monday November 10, 2025 @02:00AM (#45873193)
So the other 99.987% of Europeans agree with the parent comment?
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by AuryGlenz on Monday November 10, 2025 @03:20AM (#45873699)
No, they just can’t afford it or don’t need it.
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by dpark on Monday November 10, 2025 @09:38AM (#45876450)
Most people prefer healthcare they afford over healthcare they can’t. (Most, not all. There are a surprisingly large chunk of Americans who seem to vote Against their best interests in a lot of areas.)
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by saghm on Monday November 10, 2025 @10:55AM (#45877132)
I would argue that "don't need it" could just as easily be because they have better healthcare closer to home.
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by stwr on Monday November 10, 2025 @02:02AM (#45873206)
Ok, so about 0.0134%, Parent comment’s point is that -the average European- absolutely does not want the US healthcare system in Europe. Simply due to our shared believe healthcare is a basic right and should be universally available to everyone.

Those who have the financial means to travel to the USA for medical treatment do so largely due to running out of conventional options at home, experimental treatments or specific doctors who are regarded as the best in their particular field.

Most of the US outbound medical travel is due to treatment at home being too expensive and risking pushing entire families to bankruptcy.

The fact that 100k europeans fly to the US for medical treatment is factual, but does not equal them wanting the US healthcare system in Europe.

Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by jojobas on Monday November 10, 2025 @06:58AM (#45875084)
That's about how many need it, can afford it, and can't wait for an appointment in half a year.
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by teiferer on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @01:26AM (#45884639)
Idk .. I injured my knee playing soccer (tore a bunch of ligaments) a few months ago. Wasn't life threatening. Still, got care after waiting for about an hour, xray and all. On a Saturday. In Sweden, single payer insurance. I paid only about $20 out of pocket.
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by dpark on Monday November 10, 2025 @02:15AM (#45873281)
Just as a contrasting data point, some estimates are that well over a million Americans travel overseas for medical care every year.

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343%2818%2930620-X/ful...

This is mostly to obtain cheaper care. In general America does seem to have some of the best care in terms of quality. It’s just also some of the least affordable.

Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by jojobas on Monday November 10, 2025 @06:59AM (#45875094)
US is not the only destination for Europeans, they also go to Thailand and wherever. Few Americans go to Europe. It's not affordable, but when money is not the issue you go to the US.
Re:Montana Becomes First State to Enshrine 'Right to Compute... by spogbiper on Monday November 10, 2025 @11:32AM (#45877646)
i'm one of the Americans. went to South america for a dental procedure that was 12k in the US, 2.5k there. very modern facilities, they had some better tech than my american dentist. if you can speak a bit of spanish, i highly recommend looking into it for expensive dental stuff.