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Re:Israel demanded Google and Amazon use secret 'wink' to si... by Retric on Thursday October 30, 2025 @06:15PM (#45766046)
IE criminal intent vs criminal activity, critically the criminal activity only needs to be intended not actually occur for it to be fraud. Specifying which criminal intent is applicable is reasonable but nothing I said was incorrect.

The victims are the people being deprived of their legal protections.

Not everyone agrees which information should be protected but sending information can be a form of harm. If I break into your bank, find all your financial transactions, and post it on Facebook, I have harmed you.

Courts imposing gag orders over criminal or civil matters is a critical protection, and attempting to violate those gag orders is harm. The specific victims aren’t known, but they intend for there to be victims.

Re:Israel demanded Google and Amazon use secret 'wink' to si... by victorbjorklund on Friday October 31, 2025 @04:05AM (#45769424)
so which intent of benefit at the cost of which victim do you claim that Aws had when they committed the crime?
Re:Israel demanded Google and Amazon use secret 'wink' to si... by Retric on Friday October 31, 2025 @08:42AM (#45771395)
The payoff for AWS is the contract itself. Ultimately, it’s Israel that benefits from this information but being paid by your employer to commit fraud in a call center counts even if you’re not getting a cut of that specific victim.
Re:Israel demanded Google and Amazon use secret 'wink' to si... by victorbjorklund on Tuesday November 04, 2025 @04:16PM (#45815986)
so who is the victim? who is Israel stealing money from? AWS that willingly signed the agreement?