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Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by sowbug on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @03:46PM (#45752079)
Question for a future (2026?) dystopia: if our faces aren't secret or private for 4A/5A purposes, can we start making them secret/private by walking around in public with a balaclava?

New norms go both ways.

Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by Yeul on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @04:37PM (#45752691)
The Netherlands has a law that makes it illegal to cover your face. Officially this is to help the police but its also a great tool against religion. Constitution>god
Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by cudgy on Thursday October 30, 2025 @06:25AM (#45758331)
God wants our faces covered?
Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by collingreen on Thursday October 30, 2025 @11:22AM (#45761049)
Some religions say their God wants some people covered, like women.
Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @05:29PM (#45753316)
We now know why people had such weird makeup/facial modification attachments in dystopian sci-fi.

Luckily we have libertarians, 1990s Republicans, and Hannity and Infowars fans that will fight vehemently to stop this sort of face scanning. It is all of theirs' nightmare scenarios way past all their red lines up there with Walmarts turned into relocation camps.

But until they sort it out is it possible to make temporary tattoos (or just stickers) with patterns that make facial scanning unfeasible?

Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by RansomStark on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @05:48PM (#45753523)
It used to be cv dazzle [0] is 15 years young. But its questionable if it works anymore. Theres also a bunch of of digital camo, most seem to target IR cameras [1] here's a homebrew version.

[0] https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle

[1] https://www.macpierce.com/the-camera-shy-hoodie

Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by Hizonner on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @06:14PM (#45753786)
> It used to be cv dazzle [0] is 15 years young. But its questionable if it works anymore.

I fed all the CV Dazzle demo pictures into some free Amazon facial recognition demo a few years ago. It was a pretty shitty demo, but the makeup didn't even slow it down. It had no trouble at all finding the faces, assigning ages or genders, or locating facial features. And once you've located the features, you're going to have no trouble identifying the person if they're in the database.

Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by RansomStark on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @07:08PM (#45754294)
That makes sense, the CV dazzle styles for designed for a specific algorithm that went out of use around a decade ago.

There have been some updated styles for CNN based models, but never tried them, the originals did work back in the day

Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by RansomStark on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @05:52PM (#45753563)
Totally forgot this gem [0].

Done hide. Overwhelm.

[0] https://adam.harvey.studio/hyperface/

Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by tracker1 on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @06:50PM (#45754111)
Agreed there are definitely a lot of Libertarians and Republicans that definitely object to random use of facial recognition as presented.

As I mentioned in another comment, I'd like to see any clarifying statements from ICE/DoJ on this before jumping to conclusions as framing often cuts off portions of video or otherwise warps framing of events. Not to mention, I don't recall seeing any mention of a request for comment in the article.

Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by cool_man_bob on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @06:12PM (#45753764)
Libertarians and 90s republican are about as politically impotent as the democrats these days.

The Hannity and Infowars fans will be written off as crazy when no longer useful.

Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by ozmodiar on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @08:07PM (#45754769)
I'm assuming the joke is that what remains of them seem to be entirely on board with this.
Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by dragonwriter on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @07:44PM (#45754595)
The people who like mass surveillance also like laws against public face covering.
Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by t0bia_s on Thursday October 30, 2025 @03:18AM (#45757249)
What about using technology to scan and identify faces of those who oppress?
Re:ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to ve... by sowbug on Thursday October 30, 2025 @10:35AM (#45760475)
Related and recent: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45734369

(Not scanning faces, but continuously monitoring yourself to prove innocence. Depressing.)