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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by calgoo on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @08:36AM (#45746034)
Also, when something breaks, you are responsible. If you put it in AWS like everyone else and it breaks, then its their problem not yours. We will still implement workarounds and fixes when it happens, but we are not responsible. Basic enterprise rules these days is to always pay someone else to be responsible.
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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by vb-8448 on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @09:06AM (#45746347)
Actually nothing new here, this was the same in the pre-cloud era where everyone in enterprises prefer big names(ibm, microsoft, oracle, ecc) to pass the responsibility to them in case of failures ... aka "nobody get fired because of buying IBM"
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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by marcosdumay on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @10:41AM (#45747463)
And the big name companies always refuse to take responsibility, and have worse reliability metrics than the lean alternatives...

but somehow that is never a problem.

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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by nickstinemates on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @11:13AM (#45747884)
Reality matters less than perception.
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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by iso1631 on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @02:26PM (#45751010)
The only metric that's important is the CTO's bonus

When everyone is suffering because AWS is having its bi-yearly 8 hour outage, the CTO isn't blamed, bonus all round, and maybe the AWS sales team takes him for an apology lunch

When the CTO is up for 1500 days straight then has a 2 hour downtime when nobody else does, the CTO is blamed, no bonus, and more likely to get fired

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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by snoman on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @02:54PM (#45751361)
This fired of some warning bells in my head. Is the data available to actually make a verifiable claim regarding those reliability metrics like you are.
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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by marcosdumay on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @06:00PM (#45753653)
Microsoft and Oracle were on the vanguard of suing people that published metrics about them into bankruptcy... So, do you trust the metrics they publish?

IBM is older, and it's incredibly well documented how mainframes are more expensive to run than normal servers.

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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by vidarh on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @08:44AM (#45746106)
Unless you put someone on retainer to be responsible, which you can do cheaper than to keep your AWS setup from breaking...

(I do that for people; my AWS using customers consistently end up needing more help)

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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by wredcoll on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @10:10AM (#45747080)
The point isn't cost, it's dodging responsibility.
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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by vidarh on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @11:16AM (#45747949)
You can dodge responsibility equally well by outsourcing to people who'll run your bare metal setup for you. We exist from small consultancies like mine to huge multinationals.
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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by chasd00 on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @09:27AM (#45746553)
> then its their problem not yours

this is the main advantage of cloud, no one cares if the site/service/app is down as long as it's someone else's fault and responsibility.

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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by sarchertech on Thursday October 30, 2025 @03:46AM (#45757393)
I don’t know. Hours into the recent AWS outrage (when it was already being covered by mainstream news) everyone at work was running around with their hair on fire trying to figure out how to get our services back up. I even saw a 700 person Teams meeting.
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Re:AWS to bare metal two years later: Answering your questio... by bbarnett on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @12:48PM (#45749499)
It's always your problem. The difference is, if you control things, you can fix it, work around it, resolve it.

If not, you're at the mercy of others.

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