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Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by mongol on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @12:42PM (#45735185)
Tangentially related: is Mikrotik as bad for wireless as some say? I want to like them, even though their equipment seems complex, I root for a company from the Baltics that have carved out a respectable niche. But they appear to struggle with wireless?
Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by nubinetwork on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @01:37PM (#45736061)
I haven't tried their CAP or HAP lines, but I'm happy with my RB4011. /shrug
Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by cyberax on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @02:51PM (#45737138)
I've been using Mikrotik in various capacities since 2008, I even made IoT devices using RB450 boards before the word "IoT" was coined. I also love supporting a small company that is successfully competing with the giants.

Their long-distance wireless and outdoor wireless are great, but their regular WiFI access points and software are at most adequate. They are not keeping up with the state of the art.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by simoncion on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @06:37PM (#45740197)
> They are not keeping up with the state of the art.

Does that mean that the performance is middling (making them -IME- equal to UBNT's APs), that they never have APs that use the very latest and greatest WiFi version, or both?

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by cyberax on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @08:06PM (#45740999)
Both. They don't have access points supporting 6 GHz wireless or 2.5G Ethernet.

I think they've just given up on that sector, and they're focusing on more specialized outdoors/long-distance wireless.

I don't want to get into the Ubiquity ecosystem because it's typically all-or-nothing plunge. And I distrust complicated managed systems out of general principles.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by simoncion on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @09:01PM (#45741358)
You've not looked at Mikrotik's hardware recently.

They have several APs that have 2.5Gbit ethernet (one with a 2.5Gbit SFP+ cage), and one AP with a 10Gbit SFP+ cage. Additionally, all their APs run RouterOS, which means that you can bond links together to fairly-reliably get additional throughput. [0]

In regards to Wifi 6e and Wifi 7, it looks like Mikrotik takes quite a long while after a new Wifi version to release hardware that runs it. I expect your assertion that they've given up on 6GHz for home/small-office APs is incorrect.

[0] Yes, I've personal experience with using link bonding on Mikrotik hardware. As a knowledgeable someone would expect, it usually provides you with additional throughput proportional to the number of bonded links.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by cyberax on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @09:44PM (#45741654)
Yeah, I'm using bonded links between my Synology NAS with 4 gigabit ports and a CCR router. It works acceptably well.

But I've just checked the Mikrotik hardware list, and I don't see indoor APs that are PoE-powered and have more than one Ethernet port. Maybe I'm overlooking something?

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by simoncion on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @09:53PM (#45741719)
> But I've just checked the Mikrotik hardware list, I don't see indoor APs that are PoE-powered and have more than one Ethernet port.

a) Who said anything about that? In the four comments prior to this one, that set of requirements wasn't brought up.

b) Yes, you are absolutely overlooking something. On the Products page, try expanding the "Features" widget of the "Product filters" section, checking the "PoE-in" option, and hitting the "Use filters" button. Even the AP I mentioned with the 10Gbit SFP+ cage has PoE in.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by cyberax on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @10:19PM (#45741868)
Well, an indoor access point at this point needs to support PoE.

I tried again, and I see only mANTBox and NetMetal ax access points. Both are designed for outdoor deployment and would be very awkward indoors.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by simoncion on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @10:27PM (#45741918)
> I tried again, and I see only mANTBox and NetMetal ax access points.

I'm not sure what you've done to only see those two APs. Based on your confusing report, it seems like you're also looking in the "Wireless systems" category. Try the "Wireless for home and office" category.

If you try and fail again, please do post the URL of the page you're looking at.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by cyberax on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @12:30AM (#45742638)
D'oh. Thanks! That was it.

I definitely see more options now. Still not super great (no 6E), but definitely viable.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by protocolture on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @12:06AM (#45742508)
My biggest issue is threat surface. You can design around it, but Mikrotik WAP's do everything a Mikrotik router can do. If they get compromised they can run scripts, create blind proxies etc, and mikrotik has a habit of resurfacing CVEs from memory.

My experience is very binary. I had some Mikrotik RF installs that Just Worked, and never needed attention. And some that were just problem children constantly demanding reboots.

Mikrotik code isnt the most stable beast in the world, but if you keep it at a certain point in time you are usually safe. But then that brings you back around to the security issues again.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by simoncion on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @02:13AM (#45743235)
> If they get compromised they can run scripts, create blind proxies etc...

How's that different from a Unifi AP? Unless they changed something in the past five, eight years, the software running on the AP is pretty much OpenWRT with the serial numbers hastily filed off. [0] Get a shell, and you get to download whatever to do whatever you need.

[0] Me coming to this realization is what lead me to switch over to OpenWRT. I didn't need any of the fleet management stuff provided by UniFi, and was constantly frustrated that the APs had to totally reboot whenever you changed nearly any setting on them. (I heard that they eventually fixed that particular shortcoming. Good for them, I guess.)

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by protocolture on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @09:04PM (#45755205)
Mikrotik will let you do a lot of this without downloading new code, but you are correct. In my experience people find a simple vuln, log in, enable the blind proxy feature, and then use your network to evade netflix region blocking until you realise.

Cambiums shell from memory is much further locked down. IIRC you need a possibly predictable password form cambo to do get full root shell on a lot of devices.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by simoncion on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @02:07AM (#45820175)
> IIRC you need a possibly predictable password form cambo to do get full root shell on a lot of devices.

If we're ignoring access-control-violating logic errors, then Mikrotik's shells are quite locked down. As you'd expect, you can provision multiple users with a variety of privs... and even make a user that has no configuration modification privs at all.

You can also very easily deny remote access to any credentials other than a username and SSH key. Good luck predicting an SSH key.

But if we're not ignoring coding errors that bypass access control, then I expect that Cambium is no less vulnerable than anything else out there. They're certainly using either BSD or Linux with some proprietary goop layered on top to make it look super sexy.

Re:Ubiquiti SFP Wizard by jammo on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @06:25AM (#45744912)
It's particularly a problem with multiple access points, if it's just one and you need 'ok' coverage you're good.