Re:Poker Tournament for LLMs
by nostrebored on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @11:45AM
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The amount of problems where people are choosing a temperature of 0 are negligible though. The reason I chose the wording “implementations of models you’re talking to today” was because in reality this is almost never where people land, and certainly not what any popular commercial surfaces are using (Claude code, any LLM chat interface).
And regardless, turning this into a system that has some notion of strategic consistency or contextual steering seems like a remarkably easy problem. Treating it as one API call in, one deterministic and constrained choice out is wrong.
Re:Poker Tournament for LLMs
by CamperBob2 on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @07:01PM
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Set the temperature to zero and that's exactly what you get.
In some NN implementations, randomness is actually pretty important to keep the gradients from getting stuck at local minima/maxima. Is that true for LLMs, or is it not something that applies at all?
Are you talking about training?
Re:Poker Tournament for LLMs
by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 29, 2025 @01:26PM
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I'm not sure, hence the question. AFAIK temperature only comes into play at inference time once the distribution is known, but I don't know if there are other places where random numbers are involved.
Yes, lots of other randomness.
Eg you tend to randomly shuffle your corpus to train on. If you use drop-out (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilution_(neural_networks)) you use randomness. You might also randomly perturb your training data. Lots of other sources of randomness that you might want to try.
Set the temperature to zero and that's exactly what you get. The point is the randomness is something applied externally, not a "core concept" for the LLM.