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Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by __loam on Monday October 27, 2025 @07:46PM (#45727708)
I'm sorry but you're on some bullshit here. Women are half the population but majorly unrepresented in the tech industry because of structural problems that push them out, be that systemic misogyny in our educational systems or things like having a child having an adverse and outsized impact on women's careers. There are plenty of smart women, the problem is the toxicity present in the industry that pushes them out. Having programs that encourage women to get into tech is good because we want the people building our technology to have more diverse views than just well off men from the suburbs. We build better products when more people are involved, period. Stop picking fights with people trying to improve the abysmal representation problems in this industry, it makes you look like an anti-social freak.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by zb3 on Monday October 27, 2025 @07:54PM (#45727771)
> Women are half the population

In the US, this also applies to Republican voters. What about them?

> we want the people building our technology to have more diverse views than just well off men from the suburbs

"Diverse views"? Like you want more people with conservative views? They're also pretty underrepresented in the tech industry, but somehow this isn't a problem for you, right?

> Stop picking fights with people trying to improve the abysmal representation problems in this industry, it makes you look like an anti-social freak.

I'm also trying to improve representation problems in the industry - the overrepresentation of liberal views.

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by __loam on Monday October 27, 2025 @08:08PM (#45727887)
People don't like you because you're an ass hole, not because you're a conservative.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by endomorphosis on Monday October 27, 2025 @08:27PM (#45728001)
No, you think people are assholes because you are entitled, and think other people are entitled, to the work and effort of other people.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by array_key_first on Monday October 27, 2025 @08:30PM (#45728019)
> In the US, this also applies to Republican voters. What about them?

Nobody cares about them. If you want to make a "coding for republicans", then go for it. Nobody is stopping you. You can't pretend people are stopping you so then you can turn around and act like a victim. That's not normal person behavior.

> conservative views? They're also pretty underrepresented in the tech industry

First off, not they're not. Second off - nobody is censoring conservative views.

They ARE censoring obvious racism, sometimes pedophilia, sometimes misogyny. Because those all suck. And when that happens, some conservatives cry. Which doesn't say what you think it says. That does not reflect well on you or the broader ideology.

At the end of the day, if I speak like Hilary Clinton at work, it's perfectly normal. If I speak like Trump and talk about "human garbage" and various brown people eating cats and dogs, I'm probably getting fired and potentially a referral to a psychiatrist.

That's the difference. Not the ideology, the words.

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by dragonwriter on Monday October 27, 2025 @08:33PM (#45728042)
> > Women are half the population

> In the US, this also applies to Republican voters.

No, in fact, in the US, it is closer to true of voters without any partisan qualification than it is to being true of Republican voters.

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by sapphicsnail on Monday October 27, 2025 @08:53PM (#45728176)
Are Republican voters/conservatives underrepresented in tech? There seem to be plenty of safe spaces for them.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by endomorphosis on Monday October 27, 2025 @07:59PM (#45727812)
No, that is LITERALLY ILLEGAL all of your mental gymnastics and utilitarian justifications do not matter.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by gatvol on Monday October 27, 2025 @08:32PM (#45728029)
What is your evidence for this: "... because of structural problems that push them out, be that systemic misogyny in our educational systems ..." , "the toxicity present in the industry that pushes them out ... "?

What alternative reasons have you explored?

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by acdha on Monday October 27, 2025 @10:05PM (#45728553)
They presumably didn’t write an entire literature survey in an HN comment because the CS pipeline problem has been written about so much in the past that it’s reasonable to assume basic familiarity:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/punch-cards-pipel...

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by __loam on Monday October 27, 2025 @08:49PM (#45728147)
I mean there's reams of women in tech or academia who talk about this shit. "I left my PhD program because I was constantly belittled and harassed by my advisor and labmates" "I left my position for a different company because I kept getting passed over for promotion after I had kids" "I switched majors from CS in college because most of my classmates were men who made me uncomfortable" "I was bullied in high school by boys because they thought I didn't get accepted into school based on merit". These are all stories I've heard and there are many of them. Go ask some women in your workplace and I'd bet money they've heard stories like this from other women they know or have experienced it themselves. I'm a man and I'm tired of hearing the contrarian denials regarding these problems from my peers in the industry. Maybe every woman I know in the industry experiencing sexism at some point in their education or career is too anecdotal for you I guess.

I'm sure there's studies in labor and education stats to show some quantitative evidence of this stuff but I'm not going to waste my time proving the obvious to you.

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by kelnos on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @03:58AM (#45730184)
I don't think it's our responsibility to educate you about a phenomenon that has been discussed, analyzed, and written about extensively over the past couple decades. If you haven't seen evidence of this, then you've been living under a rock.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by 8note on Monday October 27, 2025 @09:27PM (#45728341)
> we want the people building our technology to have more diverse views than just well off men from the suburbs

is this actually true? i think we tend to move people into the suburbs and demand they act like a well off man from the suburbs.

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by __loam on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @01:20AM (#45729423)
Touché lmao