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Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by jeroenhd on Sunday October 26, 2025 @08:59AM (#45711459)
HTTPS still exposes hostnames in most cases, so you can get a gist of wat someone is doing on the internet even if you can't see the exact contents.

The unencrypted transmissions (SMS, phone calls) are much more interesting to listen in on, of course.

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by pyuser583 on Sunday October 26, 2025 @01:56PM (#45713868)
A director of the NSA once said something like "we launch missiles based on metadata alone."
Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by promptdaddy on Sunday October 26, 2025 @03:36PM (#45714596)
"We kill people based on metadata" Michael Haydon

Had to look that up.

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by themafia on Sunday October 26, 2025 @05:05PM (#45715208)
Now they're killing people based on language models. It always cracks me up that the big worry with available AI is that people will somehow use it to manipulate other people on the internet; meanwhile, the government has turned it into an assassination tool.
Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by freddie_mercury on Sunday October 26, 2025 @06:42PM (#45715758)
Because manipulating billions of people a year is worse than assassinating 500 a year? Doesn't seem hard to figure out.
Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by themafia on Monday October 27, 2025 @01:01AM (#45717561)
I could not possibly disagree more.

Would you mind if one of the 500 was your mother? What if it was you? Would you still be so cavalier?

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by wahern on Monday October 27, 2025 @07:06AM (#45719589)
> People are now planting bombs in the tramways of Algiers. My mother might be on one of those tramways. If that is justice, then I prefer my mother.

-- Albert Camus

Contextualized: https://archive.org/details/AlbertCamusArthurGoldhammerAlice...

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by stopbulying on Sunday October 26, 2025 @05:14PM (#45715272)
While AI language models can emulate legal and judicial language, they are not sufficient substitutes for Due Process of Law because they have a comparably unacceptable wrongful conviction rate given that there are "hallucinations" and false citations.
Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by zzrrt on Sunday October 26, 2025 @06:43PM (#45715767)
I’m aware of rumors about Israel using AI in war, but where are you hearing of it being used in legal and judicial settings? Besides a few lawyers getting caught and sanctioned, I don’t think it’s happening much.
Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by bayindirh on Monday October 27, 2025 @07:17AM (#45719653)
Here's an article: https://jacobin.com/2025/10/ice-zignal-surveillance-social-m...

...and some quote from it:

> One Zignal pamphlet from this year advertises the company’s work with the Israeli military, saying its data analytics platform provides “tactical intelligence” to “operators on the ground” in Gaza. The pamphlet also highlights Zignal’s work with the US Marines and the State Department.

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by psunavy03 on Monday October 27, 2025 @11:49AM (#45722367)
Jacobin is hardly a credible source.
Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by bayindirh on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:02PM (#45722545)
Zignal's document is linked in the document. IDF's logo is in that linked document.

Don't believe me or Jacobin. Verify yourself.

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by zzrrt on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @04:21AM (#45730314)
I don’t think this really answers the question, how is AI being used in legal and judicial contexts? Not military and executive agencies. State Department maybe overlaps a bit, but no detail is given about what contexts they are using it in.
Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by bayindirh on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @04:39AM (#45730443)
I replied to the "rumors of Israeli's use of AI in war" part. Not for the legal & judicial contexts.

If I found anything on that regard, I'll post them, too.

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by megous on Monday October 27, 2025 @07:23AM (#45719696)
Not rummors. It's certain that Israel is using AI in war.

IDF has massive contracts with american companies to provide AI services for variety of purposes, and confirms its use itself:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-ai-technology...

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by worik on Sunday October 26, 2025 @05:54PM (#45715504)
But they are doing it in secret.

"Due process be damned" is the apparent attitude

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by miki123211 on Monday October 27, 2025 @08:20AM (#45720141)
This is not the "right" way to use AI to kill people.

AI lets you do sigint and treat it a lot more like humint. You can e.g. wiretap everybody a suspected terrorist has called in the last year, transcribe all their conversations and pass them through an AI model which flags anything "concerning."

Unlike traditional approaches, AI can distinguish between "bomb" in the context of playing counter strike, discussing a news report and planning an actual terrorist attack.

It can't do anything a human can't do, but it's orders of magnitude cheaper, especially if you can't outsource the human labor due to natsec concerns.

Re:Eavesdropping on Internal Networks via Unencrypted Satell... by matthewdgreen on Sunday October 26, 2025 @01:58PM (#45713884)
Hostnames, IP addresses and maybe occasionally an HTTP connection that lets you tie all that metadata to an actual human identity.