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Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by kumarm on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @04:41AM (#4569299)
"We think it would have been better if they had kept ours. But what do I know?" Schmidt told a small group of reporters in Tokyo. "What were we going to do, force them not to change their mind? It's their call."

Eric Schmidt a real gentleman always. Also this puts to bed the arguments from Apple cheerleaders suggesting that Google might be the one that removed Maps from iPhone.

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by jrmg on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @05:08AM (#4569363)
this puts to bed the arguments from Apple cheerleaders suggesting that Google might be the one that removed Maps from iPhone

It really says nothing to imply that there were not terms attached to the use of Google's maps that a reasonable observer would not conclude were unreasonable for Apple to agree too. It says nothing to imply that there *weree either, but we still can't say either way.

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by pilif on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @04:48AM (#4569325)
Not that it's really relevant for us end-users, but this still says nothing. It only means that Apple didn't want to continue using Google Maps. It says nothing about what terms Google was suggesting for continued use. If Google demanded something totally unreasonable (like a patent agreement legitimizing Android, or 10 times the money Google was asking before), then Apple didn't really have a choice to leave - no matter how Eric Schmidt is wording this now.

In the end the only thing that matters is that we end-users lose greatly functionality-wise because two large companies behave like children. And us end users don't know better than finger-pointing and playing along (not that we have any choice in the matter anyways)

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by kumarm on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @04:49AM (#4569326)
> two large companies behave like children

I only see one child (Apple) here.

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by jgeorge on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @08:43AM (#4570019)
The only people I see acting like children here are Apple fanboys, Google fanboys, and tech blog writers. Not Apple themselves, nor Google, except where one of the three groups above starts putting words in their mouth.

Full disclosure: I am one of those three types of people above but that doesn't mean I agree with the actions of others in that group.

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by techtalsky on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @04:58AM (#4569346)
Perhaps, but you really just have no idea what conversations are happening behind closed doors.
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by tobylane on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @07:40AM (#4569781)
Google did something to cause Apple to do this, as well as Apple already reducing their use of Google, and it's all private. Childish things would include talking in public.
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by dvhh on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @09:11PM (#4573708)
Probably Apple had preferential access to API ( like free for 5 years ), Apple still wanted to have free access plus probably extended APIs (like directions, vector maps). But since Google is not providing Maps API for free anymore for high volume, they may have wanted Apple to pay like everybody else. Apple said no (too expensive, akin to microsoft tax on FAT LFN ), Google said sorry. End of story.
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by rys on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @08:42AM (#4570017)
How do you know Google did anything?
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by flyinRyan on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @08:48AM (#4570036)
They took it public with this statement, right?
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by Shooti on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @05:12AM (#4569376)
"something totally unreasonable (like a patent agreement legitimizing Android)"

Doesn't strike me as that unreasonable.

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by pilif on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @06:41AM (#4569625)
Nope. For us, that's perfectly legitimate. But it likely isn't for Apple who seem to follow the philosophy lately that any phone that's not an iPhone should be illegal.

And that would make a patent agreement entirely unreasonable for Apple

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by esolyt on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @06:01AM (#4569525)
I think it's pretty clear from the quote that Google did not offer unreasonable terms.
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by chris_j on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @06:05AM (#4569540)
How is it clear from the quote that Google did not offer unreasonable terms? Would you mind expanding a little?
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by davedx on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @05:46AM (#4569484)
It's very easy to make assumptions that the reason Apple chose to roll their own was because Google hiked their prices, but where's the smoking gun?
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by jgeorge on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @08:40AM (#4570004)
The point isn't that "Google hiked their prices," the point is that there are more than a few possibilities for legitimate Google-driven business reasons for the maps change instead of just assuming Apple hates their users and wants them to have crappy maps.
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by arrrg on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @05:54AM (#4569509)
There isn’t one, why should there be?
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by nicholassmith on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @05:34AM (#4569449)
We still don't know what concessions Google was trying to force from Apple over the negotiations. He's probably right, Apple did make the call, but we still don't know whether it was a case of Apple being a child or Google trying to extort them.

It's very possible that Google went in to the negotiations hostile.

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by epo on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @05:31AM (#4569439)
Nonsense. For one, that word "gentleman" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. His PR people have briefed Schmidt on making Delphic pronouncements which mean all things to all people. Who knows what "keeping ours" involved, perhaps a long term contract, perhaps a vastly increased fee?
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by jgeorge on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @08:35AM (#4569987)
Spoken like a true CEO. Everyone reading into this "it must be Apple's fault because Google said they're innocent", congratulations, you've been trolled by corporate politics.

Of course Google thinks it would have been better if Apple kept their maps, they lost license revenue and a bunch of all-important user metrics with the change.

The above statement is in no way absolution of Google's involvement in the decision. It's just a tactful response to a situation where fanboys on both sides of the fence are going to go apoplectic over anything more specific.

The second sentence after that quote could just have easily been "It's their call, all we were doing is asking for 10x licensing fees and a blanket agreement to stop suing Android handset makers for patent infringement, which I think is perfectly reasonable. They got all mad at us and said they'd do their own maps instead. They're totally at fault here."

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by flyinRyan on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @08:46AM (#4570031)
Is he still CEO?
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by taligent on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @05:23AM (#4569413)
> Eric Schmidt a real gentleman always.

Pretty sure a real gentleman wouldn't sit on the board of a company whilst at the same time building a competitor product.

Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by BitMastro on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @05:50AM (#4569499)
I don't think a single statement is enough to define someone a gentleman or not, but anyway, he did resign from apple's board to avoid conflict of interest. Source: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/03/googles-eric-schmidt-resi...
Re:Eric Schmidt: Google Hasn’t Submitted A Native Google Map... by esolyt on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @06:14AM (#4569564)
As far as I know, he refused to attend some meetings pertaining to iPhone and he eventually decided it would be best for him to resign.