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Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by incompatible on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @07:46PM (#45663226)
The Wikimedia Foundation is unlikely to last for 1000 years as an organisation because it doesn't exist within a social / economic system that will last for 1000 years. The US government is already actively plotting against it. Sure, they can try hopping from one country to another, but it won't be sustainable for that long.

It's not even certain if Wikipedia itself can exist for such a long period, given fragility of technological civilisation and data storage.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/27/wiki...

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by bee_rider on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @08:47PM (#45663688)
Wikipedia seems like a pretty good candidate for a seed vault style “let’s make sure this gets really backed up” type project.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by SchemaLoad on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @08:51PM (#45663716)
There are a million backups of wikipedia. That's not the main issue, it's the future of the project. If the main org goes down, there will be a million forks of it where none of them have the same legitimacy of the original, edits will die off, views will die off, and the content will become increasingly stale and vandalised.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by fc417fc802 on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @09:50PM (#45664072)
I see that as an argument for serious research effort into systems of decentralized governance. A project like Wikipedia shouldn't need a centralized community or a singular centralized host. Unfortunately "web of trust" doesn't seem like it will be resolved in a robust manner anytime soon.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by monissiddiqui on Thursday October 23, 2025 @01:40PM (#45684592)
You are on the way to the religion pill
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by sznio on Thursday October 23, 2025 @10:15AM (#45682061)
in my opinion, such a scenario would end up with a few weeks/months of chaos, before converging on two-three main forks.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by parineum on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @08:56PM (#45663757)
> The US government is already actively plotting against it.

If we're going to take the actions of a couple of low level dope legislatures as, "the US government" and a toothless investigation as "actively plotting against", sure.

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by incompatible on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @09:19PM (#45663892)
Even if this current plotting comes to nothing, there are plenty of ways for investments to fail over 1000 years. Even if we assume that the system continues intact so that the accumulated wealth retains its meaning and is protected, and it isn't directly targeted by the government at any time.

Investments can fail, such as bank deposits (bank collapses), shares (company goes bankrupt), government bonds (government defaults), commodities (price fluctuations as they go in or out of favour.)

Theft can also occur, including by corrupt insiders (sometimes even legally, just by inflating their salaries to ridiculous levels.)

The chance of remaining intact for 1000 years seems very low.

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by clbrmbr on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @08:35AM (#45668107)
Do we have any institutions to point to, other than the Roman Catholic Church, that have survived this long?
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by gglitch on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @09:48AM (#45669107)
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by tim-- on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @01:35AM (#45665225)
The Wikimedia Endowment [0] has been created for this. From it's Financials [1] it mentions that

> ... [its mission is...] to act as a permanent fund that can support in perpetuity the operations and activities of current and future Wikimedia projects, which are projects that are approved by and advance the purposes of the Foundation or its successor if the Foundation ceases to exist

[0] https://wikimediaendowment.org/

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/f/f6/Wikim...

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by realharo on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @02:58AM (#45665716)
But Wikipedia only really exists as long as there are editors of a certain quality and dedication. Without those, what good is the foundation?
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by tim-- on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @03:11AM (#45665784)
The Wikimedia Endowment (which is sorta-kinda separate) is to drive solutions to that exact problem.

By having a separate fund that the Wikimedia Foundation can access to help Wikipedia to have the technical expertise and knowledge workers required to continue the work of the Wikimedia Foundation.

Should the Wikimedia Foundation cease to exist, the funds in the endowment can be redirected to a successor.

EDIT: this is similar in style to the UK's Guardian Foundation, who provides funding to The Guardian newspaper. https://theguardianfoundation.org/

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by tsimionescu on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @03:22AM (#45665839)
The point is that without Wikipedians adding and improving articles, Wikipedia will die, even if the site could be kept up indefinitely. So it has to remain a relatively wide social phenomenon, an obscure Wikipedia that no students know about and care to use will knowledge rot, even if it doesn't but rot.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by eru on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @01:54AM (#45665333)
> The US government is already actively plotting against it.

Surely, they can set up shop elsewhere on the globe?

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by jader201 on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @02:22AM (#45665479)
The WF is not even 25 years old. It’s crazy to think it will exist another 100 years, let alone 1000.

Even the US isn’t 1000 years old. Who’s to say it will even exist in a remotely recognizable form in 1000 years.

The last 1000 years changed at a snails pace compared to the last 25 years.

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by brabel on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @02:36AM (#45665586)
In 1000 years Sweden went from a Viking culture to an egalitarian, tolerant, multicultural society. Just imagine how much change you can have in the next 1000 years. 50 years ago you guys had basically an apartheid and women’s place was the kitchen.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by dguest on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @03:54AM (#45666043)
35 years ago South Africa had the apartheid, and now they outrank the US on a The Economist's Democracy Index [1]. So yeah, things move fast.

Nitpick: The US Voting Rights Act became law in 1965 [2], which is more like 60 years ago. Not sure if that's what you were getting at with "basically an apartheid" but it was the closest concrete landmark near your 50 year timeline.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by alexitorg on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @05:49AM (#45666821)
Your link shows that South Africa ranks below the US. It is ranked 43rd in the world, vs the USA which is at 28 (in 2024 the latest year).
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by dguest on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @01:30PM (#45672401)
good point: I'd fix the post but it's too old. Well hopefully it gets downvoted into oblivion soon.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by incompatible on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @06:34AM (#45667129)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_Unit...

(since posting Wikipedia links seems appropriate.)

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by DocTomoe on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @02:52AM (#45665680)
The problems with that argument are that first, the Viking culture was mostly rural and agricultural, the raiding and pillaging was a tiny side-effect that mostly happened during times of economic hardship, not as a way of life ... and that today's Sweden is rapidly recessing back to a less-tolerant, anti-multicultural society for many reasons. You also conveniently ignore the much more bloody 'military superpower' phase in the 1600s.

It’s not Ragnar Lodbrok turning into ABBA. It’s a mostly peaceful peasant society getting tossed around by history until it became a mostly peaceful service economy - and the shaking never really stopped.

History is not a straight progress line. Ask the Romans.

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by miningape on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @03:26AM (#45665867)
Yes! It annoys me to no end when people pretend that time is developing us into a perfect image - we're just the latest generation in a long string of improvements. Making it seem like development is predetermined.

Ask a medieval peasant and he wouldnt even be able to describe how his life is different from his father's.

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by brabel on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @07:24AM (#45667465)
If you really want to be accurate about history in what is now Sweden, let’s also mention the horrific mass graves discovered in Birka and surroundings which seems to imply that massacring whole villages, women and children included , was commonplace even before Viking times. The later imperialist period seems less brutal to me.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by int_19h on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @11:13PM (#45677800)
Pre-agricultural societies are generally much more brutal because you need a lot of territory to feed relatively few people. Agriculturalists can conquer other people and make them work for them in a way that doesn't scale for hunters-gatherers. The consequence is that the combatant/noncombatant distinction is much more blurry, and genocide is often an explicit goal of the war.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by csmpltn on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @02:54AM (#45665694)
> In 1000 years Sweden went from a Viking culture to an egalitarian, tolerant, multicultural society.

That «multiculturalism» is already responsible for undoing the changes you’re describing here. Sweden is regressing into a medieval, middle-eastern ghetto faster than you’d think - as do other parts of Europe.

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by reddalo on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @03:20AM (#45665833)
I agree with you. The main problem is that we don't have many politicians that want to tackle immigration in a serious and responsible way. So people end up giving votes to the far right.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by brabel on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @07:18AM (#45667418)
Yeah I think I should have been more clear that countries change a lot and sometimes even revert back to a much earlier state … it just sounds funny to me how the country of bloody thirsty warriors that pillaged faraway countries is now maybe the most peaceful place on Earth… at least if you ignore the bombings and gang culture that has developed in the last decade or so, but those are imported from elsewhere, which of course doesn’t mean it won’t become a feature of the country for decades ahead which may bring back some of the image of ruthlessness associated with the old times.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by jerojero on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @08:41AM (#45668179)
I invite you to read a little bit of history.

These sort of hyper exaggerated comments help no one. Not to mention "other parts of Europe" were literally Islamic for hundreds of years.

Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by quantumcotton on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @02:58AM (#45665718)
Lol the pace things change. If there was an accurate time travel movie it would be more of a comedy. I don't care where you're from. Which language you speak. Even Chinese has changed. But any language especially English has changed so much it would be a foreign language if you went back.
Re:Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summar... by jjtheblunt on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @01:27PM (#45672354)
> The US government is already actively plotting against it.

the article you linked in no way supports that sentence.

(there's just a committee looking into claims that edits are used for propaganda in general.)