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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by doublerabbit on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @02:03PM (#45659264)
> Also, turning off internet connections means less-capable remote shut shut-off.

Why does it have to be remote what's wrong with it being in-house? Besides a shut-off should never be able to be triggered remotely.

The same goes for digital emergency shut off buttons; all should be physical.

> Less-responsive power plants.

What? How is remote any more responsive than physical workers being in-house?

If power-plants operated efficiently back in the 50's without internet, they should be able to now without internet.

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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @02:27PM (#45659637)
> Why does it have to be remote what's wrong with it being in-house?

Nothing wrong with it being in house. But having a back-up is never bad.

> How is remote any more responsive than physical workers being in-house?

If the on-site workers are incapacitated. It's a remote (hehe) risk. But so is foreign hackers doing anything with our nukes.

> If power-plants operated efficiently back in the 50's without internet, they should be able to now without internet

If you're fine paying 50s power prices again, sure, I'm sure a power company would happily run their plants retro style.

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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by IAmBroom on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @03:56PM (#45660895)
> But having a back-up is never bad.

It is always an increase in risk, in a security sense.

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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by tehjoker on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @06:11PM (#45662377)
good argument against having nukes
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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @07:06PM (#45662904)
One can paraphrase the joke about democracy for nukes. Having nukes is the worst, other than every situation where you don’t have nukes and the other guy does.
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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by tehjoker on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @08:44AM (#45668214)
Most of the other guys get nukes because we have nukes and threaten them militarily. They're very expensive, countries don't want them unless they need a deterrent, and we're often the main threat.
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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by fragmede on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @10:18PM (#45664216)
> When expressed in constant 2019 dollars, the average price of electricity in the United States fell from $4.79 per kilowatt-hour in 1902 (the first year for which the national mean is available) to 32 cents in 1950.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/electricity-its-wonderfully-afford...

$0.32 is $0.41 accoreit BLS, which is less than I'm paying today (I live somewhere with expensive electricity), so I'd enjoy the discount if they did!

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=0.32&year1=201...

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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @11:09PM (#45664527)
> $0.32 is $0.41 accoreit BLS, which is less than I'm paying today

Out of curiosity, what was the real power price where you live in the 60s?

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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by fragmede on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @04:47AM (#45666386)
Had a long back-and-forth with ChatGPT and it says, accounting for inflation, that it's roughly the same from the 50s and the 60s versus today.
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Re:Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via S... by HippyTed on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @04:35PM (#45661351)
The one exception I can think of is remote shutdown in the face of a rapid natural disaster. Like how the japanese train network is set to shut down rapidly when a high power quake is detected.

But that is very geography dependant.

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