Re:Alibaba Cloud claims to reduce Nvidia GPU use by 82%
by segmondy on Monday October 20, 2025 @01:49PM
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they are keeping up. i have been using just chinese models for the last 2 years. chatgpt/gemini/claude have marketing. there's nothing that you can do with those models that can't be done with deepseek, glm or kimi. if there is, do let us know.
Re:Alibaba Cloud claims to reduce Nvidia GPU use by 82%
by Workaccount2 on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:53PM
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They can't attract a large contingent of users. Because despite being able to do everything the big name models can do, they cannot do it as well.
This aligns with the benchmarks as well; they benchmark great for what they are, but still bottom of the barrel when competing for "state of the art."
And yes, it's great you daily Chinese models, but the vast majority of people try them, say "impressive", then go back to the most performant models.
Re:Alibaba Cloud claims to reduce Nvidia GPU use by 82%
by vachina on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @03:43AM
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I'm not sure if you understood what OP meant by "marketing".
Re:Alibaba Cloud claims to reduce Nvidia GPU use by 82%
by MSFT_Edging on Monday October 20, 2025 @02:45PM
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The downside of their efficiency and cost-ratio is that they undermine the circular economy of massive data centers, GPU sales, and VC money that is constructing an extremely wasteful bubble.
Re:Alibaba Cloud claims to reduce Nvidia GPU use by 82%
by Workaccount2 on Monday October 20, 2025 @04:54PM
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The bubble is there in China too, it's just on the governments books instead of private investors books.
They are lauded for the ability to cost ratio, or their ability to parameter ratio, but virtually everyone using LLMs for productive work are using ChatGPT/Gemini/Claude.
They are kind of like Huffy bicycles. Good value, work well, but if you go to any serious event, no one will be riding one.