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Re:Forth: The programming language that writes itself by randallsquared on Monday October 20, 2025 @09:23AM (#45643607)
I've read that a number of times, but this is the first time since the rise of vibe engineering.

> I predict that no tool of any kind which too greatly amplifies the productivity of an individual will ever be permitted to most developers.

There's a new essay in here, somewhere, about why copilot and AI coding is succeeding at bridging this gap.

Re:Forth: The programming language that writes itself by astrobe_ on Monday October 20, 2025 @01:13PM (#45646403)
It is too risky for companies to rely on a language that have a small pool of programmers. The bigger the company, the bigger the language must be. AI multiplies this availability, not productivity.
Re:Forth: The programming language that writes itself by lproven on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @07:35AM (#45654615)
Flipside: it looks like the most productive programmers are those who work alone and not in a large pool. The core point of the article is that team development is slower and less efficient.

Which means management must make a choice: getting good code relatively fast from a small pool of high-value individuals that it must therefore cherish and treat well...

Or get poor-quality code, slowly, but from a large and redundant group of less skilled developers, who are cheaper and easier to replace.

It is a truth universally acknowledged that from the three characteristics of "good, fast, and cheap", you can pick which two you want.

In this case, maybe the choice is as simple as "good and fast" or "cheap."

If the structure of the business or the market requires management to pick "cheap" (with concomitant but unspoken "bad and slow") then the structure, I submit, is bad.

Re:Forth: The programming language that writes itself by lproven on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @07:30AM (#45654586)
> why copilot and AI coding is succeeding at bridging this gap.

I mean, unless it proves with time that in fact it does not help at all and actually slows people down.

https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...