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Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by CaptainOfCoit on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @01:05PM (#45582401)
> This one says camera rotation for Jak and Daxter is mapped on the R/L buttons: https://jakanddaxter.fandom.com/wiki/Daxter_controls

Seems wrong too, archived manual (https://archive.org/details/ps2_Jak_and_Daxter-_The_Precurso...) seems to say "RIGHT ANALOG STICK ... Camera Rotate/Zoom" under the game controls. I think the page you linked to is for another game.

Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by cubefox on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @03:07PM (#45583585)
I just looked at a few videos and it seems that the analog stick does indeed move the camera, though apparently only horizontally, not "freely" with arbitrary rotations. I'm not sure though.
Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by CaptainOfCoit on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @06:04AM (#45590201)
How is that different from Super Mario Sunshine? It was probably two decades ago I last played it, but I think it was the same.
Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by cubefox on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @08:04AM (#45591118)
No there you can do arbitrary camera rotations, not just horizontal ones. For example, you can view the character from above.
Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by CaptainOfCoit on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @10:17AM (#45592965)
Now you made me unsure, so skimmed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrsWUmiayLM for a bit, which seems to me to confirm it's just horizontal camera movement. But there seems to be a zoom in/out functionality, which would move the camera in/out+vertically, but that's different than rotating around the character freely. The camera also does a ton of vertical movements by itself too, as Mario jumps/falls.
Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by cubefox on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @01:15PM (#45595680)
Yeah, I think you are actually right. I must have misremembered it. This source also suggests Mario Sunshine didn't have a "free" rotating camera but a combination of horizontal rotation and zoom: https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Sunshine/Controls

I guess then the first game I definitely know that had a free camera was The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, which came out a few months after Sunshine. This is also confirmed here: https://strategywiki.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_The_Wind_...

Of course the question is whether there might have been an earlier game which had it. Regarding Ico, apparently it also allows only horizontal rotation (camera "panning" is horizontal movement): https://strategywiki.org/wiki/ICO/Controls