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Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by cubefox on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @09:51AM (#45580043)
This one says camera rotation for Jak and Daxter is mapped on the R/L buttons: https://jakanddaxter.fandom.com/wiki/Daxter_controls

But Ico indeed used the stick for the camera: https://strategywiki.org/wiki/ICO/Controls

However, I'm not sure whether it was only used for horizontal rotation or full arbitrary rotation (arbitrary combinations of horizontal and vertical) as in Super Mario Sunshine. But it might very well be the first game to have that, not Mario Sunshine.

Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by ChoGGi on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @10:51AM (#45580788)
Turok from 1997 let you use the dpad for movement and stick to look/aim.

Edit: Oh, sorry didn't see you mention third person.

Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by CaptainOfCoit on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @01:05PM (#45582401)
> This one says camera rotation for Jak and Daxter is mapped on the R/L buttons: https://jakanddaxter.fandom.com/wiki/Daxter_controls

Seems wrong too, archived manual (https://archive.org/details/ps2_Jak_and_Daxter-_The_Precurso...) seems to say "RIGHT ANALOG STICK ... Camera Rotate/Zoom" under the game controls. I think the page you linked to is for another game.

Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by cubefox on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @03:07PM (#45583585)
I just looked at a few videos and it seems that the analog stick does indeed move the camera, though apparently only horizontally, not "freely" with arbitrary rotations. I'm not sure though.
Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by CaptainOfCoit on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @06:04AM (#45590201)
How is that different from Super Mario Sunshine? It was probably two decades ago I last played it, but I think it was the same.
Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by cubefox on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @08:04AM (#45591118)
No there you can do arbitrary camera rotations, not just horizontal ones. For example, you can view the character from above.
Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by CaptainOfCoit on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @10:17AM (#45592965)
Now you made me unsure, so skimmed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrsWUmiayLM for a bit, which seems to me to confirm it's just horizontal camera movement. But there seems to be a zoom in/out functionality, which would move the camera in/out+vertically, but that's different than rotating around the character freely. The camera also does a ton of vertical movements by itself too, as Mario jumps/falls.
Re:Sony Playstation 2 fixing frenzy by cubefox on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @01:15PM (#45595680)
Yeah, I think you are actually right. I must have misremembered it. This source also suggests Mario Sunshine didn't have a "free" rotating camera but a combination of horizontal rotation and zoom: https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Sunshine/Controls

I guess then the first game I definitely know that had a free camera was The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, which came out a few months after Sunshine. This is also confirmed here: https://strategywiki.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_The_Wind_...

Of course the question is whether there might have been an earlier game which had it. Regarding Ico, apparently it also allows only horizontal rotation (camera "panning" is horizontal movement): https://strategywiki.org/wiki/ICO/Controls