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Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by like_any_other on Monday October 13, 2025 @07:31PM (#45574472)
What about them? The claim, or rather implication, was that Western powers would never allow equivalent protectionist policies, such as preventing the export of key industries and skills, to be enacted by other countries. Yet such protectionism is routine in China (and many other Asian countries), and "whole hell" did not break loose.

A few more than half century old examples don't change what we can all see is the case in the present day.

Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by shtzvhdx on Monday October 13, 2025 @07:42PM (#45574546)
The British, French and Israelis literally went to war against Egypt over the Suez.

They only backed up when the US told the Brits and France they would tank their economies still on US life support.

And, pray, why did the Machado win the hypocrisy prize on Friday? Why are American ships outside the waters of Venezuela?

Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by fsckboy on Monday October 13, 2025 @08:51PM (#45575001)
>The British, French, and Israelis literally went to war against Egypt over the Suez.

The British and the French were concerned about the Suez, but Israel was not dependent on the Suez and went to war over their navigation being blockaded by Egypt in the Gulf of Aqaba and the Straits of Tiran, which was a violation by Egypt of maritime law. Aqaba is in the Sinai peninsula which is also bounded by the Suez.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_passage_through_the_Su...

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Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by fsckboy on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @03:19PM (#45597138)
you are talking about the Suez and Israel, and it seems that you didn't read what I wrote
Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by lmm on Monday October 13, 2025 @10:16PM (#45575556)
> The British, French and Israelis literally went to war against Egypt over the Suez.

> They only backed up when the US told the Brits and France they would tank their economies still on US life support.

But they did back off. The US was willing to stand up for Egyptian sovereignty even against their own allies. That isn't an example of non-western countries being unable to enact protectionist policies, it's an example of the opposite.

Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by bgwalter on Monday October 13, 2025 @11:36PM (#45576008)
Stand up for Egyptian sovereignty? The U.S. unseated the UK as one of the dominant forces in the region and controlled the Middle East ever since.

I suppose installing el-Sisi is also an example of protecting Egyptian sovereignty:

https://www.cato.org/commentary/ten-years-after-coup-us-stil...

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Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by lmm on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @09:27PM (#45600483)
> The article is about Dutch, that is European, piracy under the pretense of sovereignty.

> My example is about European piracy under the pretense of that foreign ownership supersedes sovereignty.

The British and French did something wrong 70 years ago and the world called them out for it, therefore it's hypocritical for the Dutch to call out a similar wrong thing being done against them now? Nonsense.

Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by spookie on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @12:06AM (#45576161)
Venezuela has threaten war against their neighbours. Maybe a little bird told their president to do so [1], but still...

[1] https://www.latintimes.com/nicolas-maduro-losing-it-venezuel...

Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by wagwang on Monday October 13, 2025 @07:52PM (#45574638)
Sure but can we just all drop the pretense that sovereignty and property rights mean anything. The only thing that really matters is power and how you get it. You can do protectionism if you are powerful, you can take whatever you want if you are powerful, etc etc.
Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE on Monday October 13, 2025 @11:14PM (#45575884)
"The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must" has been written down as geopolitical reality by Thucydides around ~400BC [1].

For some reason, over the past few decades the powerful countries from the West employed rhetoric to suggest that their actions are guided by principles and morals. That was most likely a reaction to a huge wave of anti-colonial revolutions and national liberation struggles that tore the Western empires apart. However, USA and Israel have taken off the mask over the past 2 years, and that weasly rhetoric is now over.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Melos#Melian_Dialogue

Re:Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker... by neves on Monday October 13, 2025 @09:09PM (#45575137)
It looks like that to do it, first, you need to have some atomic bombs.

But talking seriously, the OP didn't say that other countries never do it. Just that the powers have innumerable examples of coups to knock out governments that do this. A lot of them were democratic and popular governments.