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Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by fidotron on Monday October 13, 2025 @12:05PM (#45569916)
China are certainly better at turning the results of research into products, whether that research was them or anyone else.

The canonical example here is 5G. Once again the US science establishment had the guy, he ends up doing the breakthroughs for polar coding, they failed to appreciate him, he left and ended up being funded by Huawei.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdal_Ar%C4%B1kan

The US science establishment isn't broken as an innovation engine because of Trump - it's because they're clearly rewarding the wrong things.

What isn't so clear is if Chinese science is creating Chinese startups. It may yet happen.

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Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by treis on Monday October 13, 2025 @02:01PM (#45571424)
Eh, China is better at directing massive state level resources at incrementally improving technology. Nothing truly revolutionary has come out of China. The West is still ahead in that sort of stuff.
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Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by citrin_ru on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @02:51AM (#45576998)
It seems to me that incremental improvements undervalued in the West instead lots of efforts spend on chasing revolutions (which don’t happen often) and China capitalised on this.
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Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by balls187 on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @11:59AM (#45581620)
> The West is still ahead in that sort of stuff.

Such as?

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Re:No Science, No Startups: The Innovation Engine We're Swit... by treis on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @03:27PM (#45583791)
SpaceX, Self driving cars, and LLMs/AI
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