Two intelligence assets talking to each other. Both have quite similar backgrounds with dubious credentials. A history of lying and obfuscation. I wouldn't trust anything Fridman or Durov say.

I don't know how anyone sits through ten minutes of Lex speaking let alone multiple hours.

It's a steep learning curve, I concur.

Try to sit through the 5 hours of interview with Carmack if you are a coder, or the interview with Aella, if you are more into humanities.

These two are his crown jewels, IMO.

Awwww, so cute. Here's a cookie.

you don't have to listen - get google gemini to make a transcript & summarize key points.