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Re:A small number of samples can poison LLMs of any size by Retric on Thursday October 09, 2025 @09:33PM (#45534698)
How can you tell what needs to be reported vs the vast quantities of bad information coming from LLM’s? Beyond that how exactly do you report it?
Re:A small number of samples can poison LLMs of any size by astrange on Friday October 10, 2025 @05:44AM (#45536973)
All LLM providers have a thumbs down button for this reason.

Although they don't necessarily look at any of the reports.

Re:A small number of samples can poison LLMs of any size by execveat on Friday October 10, 2025 @07:57AM (#45537902)
The real world use cases for LLM poisoning is to attack places where those models are used via API on the backend, for data classification and fuzzy logic tasks (like a security incident prioritization in a SOC environment). There are no thumbs down buttons in the API and usually there's the opposite – promise of not using the customer data for training purposes.
Re:A small number of samples can poison LLMs of any size by astrange on Friday October 10, 2025 @03:56PM (#45543078)
> There are no thumbs down buttons in the API and usually there's the opposite – promise of not using the customer data for training purposes.

They don't look at your chats unless you report them either. The equivalent would be an API to report a problem with a response.

But IIRC Anthropic has never used their user feedback at all.

Re:A small number of samples can poison LLMs of any size by Retric on Friday October 10, 2025 @08:54AM (#45538445)
The question was where should users draw the line? Producing gibberish text is extremely noticeable and therefore not really a useful poisoning attack instead the goal is something less noticeable.

Meanwhile essentially 100% of lengthy LLM responses contain errors, so reporting any error is essentially the same thing as doing nothing.

Re:A small number of samples can poison LLMs of any size by echelon on Friday October 10, 2025 @10:47AM (#45539702)
Who even says customers (or even humans) are reporting it? (Though they could be one dimension of a multi-pronged system.)

Internal audit teams, CI, other models. There are probably lots of systems and muscles we'll develop for this.