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Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by AJ007 on Thursday September 20, 2012 @11:45AM (#4549106)
Directions being ok most for most people, most of the time, is hardly acceptable.

Google Maps had a tendency to drop pins for locations on the wrong spot. That meant I always had to confirm the location with street view, 100% of the time.

Going to the wrong spot can be catastrophic in some instances (wrong or non existent hospital.) In others it can be really bad (missing a critical meeting, walking in during a wedding.) I don't need to give more examples.

Google giving not so great search results is one thing. I can look at the page and quickly tell that its wrong. When maps are wrong, it can add another 30 minutes between figuring out you went to the wrong spot and getting to the right one.

If Apple's management thinks its acceptable to roll out beta products on all of their users, I'll be moving to Android.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by liotier on Thursday September 20, 2012 @11:57AM (#4549159)

  > If Apple's management thinks its acceptable to roll out
  > beta products on all of their users, I'll be moving to 
  > Android.
Sure - because Google never rolls out beta products on all of their users...
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by aeturnum on Thursday September 20, 2012 @12:44PM (#4549407)
A good point for sure.

I think his reasoning is that, if all the options are going to be beta-level products, he might as well use Android. I think Apple has always implicitly presented a deal where they tightly control their phone, but the experience is excellent. You don't care who makes the maps app because it "just works." If that's changing, users might be happier in an ecosystem where choice is more pervasive.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by pnathan on Thursday September 20, 2012 @01:08PM (#4549522)
> Apple has always implicitly presented a deal where they tightly control their phone, but the experience is excellent.

That, IMO, is absolutely the deal you make with Apple. More money, less hackability, and better experience.

If Apple starts crapping out stuff, there's no point in buying Apple.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by jackson71 on Thursday September 20, 2012 @12:43PM (#4549398)
Difference is, it generally says, "Beta" right on the tin.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by MartinCron on Thursday September 20, 2012 @02:11PM (#4549849)
Directions being ok most for most people, most of the time, is hardly acceptable

Directions that are perfect for everyone, all of the time? Has that ever happened? I don't think so. I think it has always been a steadily improving mess. This may be a step backwards, but let's be realistic, here.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by jpdoctor on Thursday September 20, 2012 @01:04PM (#4549502)
> wrong or non existent hospital.

FWIW: I can see that turning into a lawsuit.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by uxp on Thursday September 20, 2012 @01:42PM (#4549693)
Google's Maps TOS states[1]:

4. Content in the Products. (a) Map data, traffic, directions, and related Content are provided for planning purposes only. You may find that weather conditions, construction projects, closures, or other events may cause road conditions or directions to differ from the map results. You should exercise judgment in your use of this Content.

And Apple's iOS6 License agreement states[2]:

5. Services and Third Party Materials. (e) Neither Apple nor any of its content providers guarantees the availability, accuracy, completeness, reliability, or timeliness of stock information, location data or any other data displayed by any Services. [...] Location data provided by any Services, including the Apple Maps service, is provided for basic navigational and/or planning purposes only and is not intended to be relied upon in situations where precise location information is needed or where erroneous, inaccurate, time-delayed or incomplete location data may lead to death, personal injury, property or environmental damage. You agree that, the results you receive from the Maps service may vary from actual road or terrain conditions due to factors that can affect the accuracy of the Maps data, such as, but not limited to, weather, road and traffic conditions, and geopolitical events. For your safety when using the turn-by-turn navigation feature, always pay attention to posted road signs and current road conditions, and follow safe driving practices and traffic regulations.

There's basically no difference between the two. If the argument didn't arise when Google released their Maps product, or when MapQuest released their product, then there's no reason to be making the same argument against Apple for their maps product. The idea that someone will use Maps to get to a hospital and end up dying or becoming severely injured because they were told to take a left at Alberkerky and got lost is pretty weak. We might as well start arguing about how US Republicans are going to kill grandma and US Democrats are going to redistribute your wealth because that argument has more of a chance of actually affecting the lives of people, but is still as much of a emotionally charged fallacy as maps causing injury or death.

[1] https://maps.google.com/help/terms_maps.html [2] http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iOS6.pdf

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by jpdoctor on Thursday September 20, 2012 @03:19PM (#4550209)
> There's basically no difference between the two.

1. There's more to contract law than reading the contract. 2. There is a huge difference: Google gets the placement right, Apple does not.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by CamperBob2 on Saturday September 22, 2012 @03:17AM (#4557335)
There's basically no difference between the two.

It would be one thing if a search for a hospital on iOS failed by returning "Not found." It's quite another if the search returns an abandoned warehouse 6 miles away.

Good luck convincing a jury that this isn't negligence, especially when Apple knew very well that their data was garbage.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by batista on Thursday September 20, 2012 @12:27PM (#4549318)
>I'll be moving to Android.

Google's Android? As in Google, the inventor of the "perpetual beta"?

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by potatolicious on Thursday September 20, 2012 @01:07PM (#4549520)
As of right now the perpetual beta is a lot better than the supposed "final" iOS6 maps. So yeah.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by icebraining on Thursday September 20, 2012 @01:42PM (#4549691)
But they don't usually revert in quality.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by batista on Thursday September 20, 2012 @02:08PM (#4549834)
The Google Reader redesign fiasco? Google Wave to Google+ transition?

It's not like Apple "usually reverts in quality" either. This was a business decision, probably forced. They had to create something of their own for maps from what they could license and buy quickly.

Goes to show that you should not depend on your competitors for core technology. Which Apple always tries to avoid, but probably in 2007 (when the iPhone come out) the didn't think of Google as a competitor. They weren't in the phone business back then...

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by icebraining on Thursday September 20, 2012 @06:32PM (#4551103)
They weren't?

In what could be a key move in its nascent wireless strategy, Google (GOOG) has quietly acquired startup Android Inc., BusinessWeek Online has learned. The 22-month-old startup, based in Palo Alto, Calif., brings to Google a wealth of talent, including co-founder Andy Rubin, who previously started mobile-device maker Danger Inc.

-- BusinessWeek, August 16, 2005

http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2005-08-16/google-buys-a...

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by batista on Thursday September 20, 2012 @06:41PM (#4551140)
>They weren't?

Yes, they weren't. The first Android phone appeared one year after the iPhone (HTC Dream, released on October 22, 2008).

That 2005 acquisition didn't automatically make the two companies competitors...

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by drivebyacct2 on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:21PM (#4550768)
And have you used Android lately?