Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by thadt on Friday October 03, 2025 @01:40PM
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How would PGP help in the long run? If client side scanning is mandated for everything then the natural place for it to wind up is in the OS. Once your OS is scanning all the things, your privacy is finished - pretty good or otherwise.
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Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by layer8 on Friday October 03, 2025 @01:51PM
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You can run the forbidden Linux software on legacy hardware.
Of course, all new hardware will have hardcoded firmware scanning the DRM’d keyboard controller.
Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by 0cf8612b2e1e on Friday October 03, 2025 @02:06PM
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Microsoft has been pushing Recall for a while now. Clearly they will make it a cornerstone feature, potentially without the ability to opt out.
Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by nextos on Friday October 03, 2025 @02:24PM
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In fact, proprietary OSes already phone home so often it's just mind blowing. On the mobile camp, only GrapheneOS and niche Linux distributions like SailfishOS are quiet if you inspect network traffic. The tools for client-side scanning are there, it's quite easy to implement total control.
Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by ForceOfEntropy on Friday October 03, 2025 @01:59PM
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In that case you could an Arduino, Raspberry Pi, or similar to write and convert the message. The converted msg can then be sent over USB, wifi, etc to the computer
Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by roywiggins on Friday October 03, 2025 @02:06PM
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Right, and then Chat Control looks at the encrypted text and goes "oh huh this looks encrypted and suspicious, let's put this user on a list for closer inspection" or eventually just refuses to let you send the message at all. Steganography is hard and it will be very difficult to hide that you're sending encrypted messages.
Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by mr_mitm on Friday October 03, 2025 @02:27PM
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But how do we then protect our messages to less tech savvy people? Encryption must be effortless and usable by the masses, or it will be almost pointless.
Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by treszkai on Saturday October 04, 2025 @01:16PM
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If Chat Control passes, then encryption will not be effortless and usable by the masses, that's the whole point. Basic encrypted chat will be on the level of Snowden trying to communicate with the journalists back in the days – only possible if both parties are willing to go to lengths.
Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by thaumasiotes on Friday October 03, 2025 @04:59PM
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> If client side scanning is mandated for everything then the natural place for it to wind up is in the OS. Once your OS is scanning all the things, your privacy is finished - pretty good or otherwise.
An air gap can solve that problem:
1. Create an illegal message on a machine with no internet.
2. Encrypt the message.
3. Copy the encrypted message over to a machine that does have internet.
4. Send it.
Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by sudahtigabulan on Friday October 03, 2025 @05:45PM
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Tinfoil Chat does that (and more).
Re:Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in...
by topranks on Sunday October 05, 2025 @07:45AM
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Perhaps it’d go that way.
But the chat control proposal specifically involves forcing the makers of messaging apps to scan the contents of messages.
PGP remains very relevant under those current proposals.