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Re:Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack by js8 on Friday October 03, 2025 @09:53AM (#45463053)
> NATO isn't fighting in Ukraine

I think this view is delusional. NATO countries are supplying Ukraine with weapons, it's pretty conventional to consider this as being a party to the war.

The only reason we don't say it openly is that elites want to maintain pretense that we are not in a war (that's unpopular in Europe and US) and that NATO is defense-only organization.

Re:Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack by general1465 on Friday October 03, 2025 @10:57AM (#45463717)
So USA was fighting USSR by supplying weapons to Afghanistan?

USSR was fighting USA by supplying weapons to Korea and Vietnam?

Re:Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack by GeoAtreides on Friday October 03, 2025 @12:22PM (#45464677)
I mean, I completely and utterly disagree with js8, but yeah, the wars you mentioned were called proxy wars between USSR and US, in the larger context of the Cold War
Re:Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack by _DeadFred_ on Friday October 03, 2025 @01:34PM (#45465471)
Wasn't Russia paying a bounty for American soldiers in Afghanistan? That seems more like 'at war with' than providing arms.
Re:Europe Can No Longer Ignore That It's Under Russian Attack by ponector on Friday October 03, 2025 @04:19PM (#45467327)
According to your logic it's Canada fighting North Korea in Ukraine.

Just a Russia Today style of whataboutism. Why you take any russian word as true? They can only lie. Whatever they say about Ukraine is a lie.

If you want to believe russians, why not believe that this Ukrainian 3-days special operation is going according 5 years plan of grinding Ukrainian soil treeline a day and pushing neutral neighboring countries to actually join NATO?